From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78109 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:25:14 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <8zlj01vxd1.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <87zkojjioy.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8762r79fb0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ipv69ahl.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871v1uaopg.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <877hbm9hh5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301238759 29274 80.91.229.12 (27 Mar 2011 15:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:12:39 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26420@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Mar 27 17:12:35 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3rdq-00052p-1C for ding-account@gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:12:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3rby-000641-G1; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:10:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lHI-0005hq-Q4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:24:52 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lHH-00089q-Cs for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:24:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ww0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3lHG-0007Tn-DI for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:24:50 +0200 Original-Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1485503wwi.5 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:24:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DNHT6OG1HQOQ0zPqjZwsnOCgQsaQy1nq2QZk0sz4KaE=; b=UuSBCISG5CSIjS/1Vv3PZcOSQFjui/6vff/PLGLXz+rrDe5Ncxy/uWIZ/uo3frIu7a +8ithKG1YbSjh67xnle7vdu414G59XpCBYAqOmoE4+QXtRzzQwZ9wDuYW5SluavM2iMp b3hVbXdbDL7L4k1KEv4ZF31PbEnXoxPy8lrjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vdUi30u7YeWJvQBY//TL/ob4NGopwEsZoXRLae7oY507wDkCjikLq28+w5u8fO0rU6 B16A6l8T7T27DimEtLyxT+73E/4PYe95TaSEG1b3pFnzCWebx2Wu5oGwg2r3xwxofRWR XledEW0HLZmj+xqN/1HDBv3UR+JuM66yKR06o= Original-Received: by 10.216.44.208 with SMTP id n58mr1758135web.39.1301214284500; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h19sm1361922wbc.58.2011.03.27.01.24.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3kLh-0005F3-77 for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:25:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877hbm9hh5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> ("Adam \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Sj\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=C3\=B8gren\=22's\?\= message of "Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:47:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110015 (No Gnus v0.15) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78109 Archived-At: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:45:15 +0100, Richard wrote: > >> asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sj=C3=B8gren) writes: > >>> What I got from reading it is that groups from servers in select-method >>> and secondary-select-methods are called native and other groups are >>> called foreign. Seems quite straightforward? > >> Except they the are not. Since the gnus-activate-foreign-newsgroups >> applies to groups created from secondary select methods. > > So the manual is wrong and you have a better understanding - which puts > you in an excellent position to improve the manual. Thanks in advance! > > Best regards, > > Adam This discussion is to clarify how it is, how it should or maybe just how to improve it. If I knew how it should and could work for the masses perhaps I could do this. As it is I see this discussion with Eric as a valuable "real use" exercise and discussion in honing Gnus to work better for the end user. I dont have the solutions just on my own limited experience so changing the manual would seem a tad premature considering its me learning how gnus works. It never ceases to amaze me how others use the same features. All I know is that at this minute using agent in a cost restricted "mostly disconnected" arena its confusing and a few things simply dont work (see multiple IMAP selection methods mentioned earlier). In the case above how would I correct the manual? Perhaps the code is wrong? Perhaps the concept is wrong. I dont know. What I do know is that its not clear and the discussion with Eric is helping to clarify end user use cases which might lead to either bug fixes, manual changes and/or functionality redesign. Possibly you have some comments relevant to the agent and activation levels which might help? Thanks in advance!