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Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:

> On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> Possibly others dont. Hence Julien's suggestion about a more user
>> friendly default.
>
> I've just changed the default format for user-date. I did not made any
> use of it nor any change to `gnus-summary-line-format'.
>
> So it's only visible to people using it.

Thats a good compromise. Although I do feel, from experience with being
a Gnus noob once and now getting emails about it from newer noobs, that
that would be a more sensible "out of the box" default in the summary
too. I always feel that the more experienced users who are resistant to
change can always set it back to their old formats with ease but its a
lot harder for a new adopter to set something like this - its often a
vicious circle .. you dont know what you need to change until you've
done it ...