(0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

(0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Richard Stanton]

I just installed 0.27 (upgrading from 0.26), and tried to run it. It
gets as far as the opening "gnu" screen, then gives me the following
error message in the minibuffer:

agate open error: ''. Continue (y or n)

As a result, it's not very useful at the moment...

What makes this odd is

a) The server (agate.berkeley.edu) is up and running fine.
b) 0.26 works perfectly.
c) 0.27 didn't even start a TCP process, so it decided there was a
   problem without even trying to connect!

Richard Stanton

Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Dan Lewi Harkestad]

>I just installed 0.27 (upgrading from 0.26), and tried to run it. It
>gets as far as the opening "gnu" screen, then gives me the following
>error message in the minibuffer:
>
>agate open error: ''. Continue (y or n)

Well, I got the same error message (although not agate as
server). Anyway, while byte-compiling 0.27, I got a lot of
error-messages which hasn't been there before. For instance,
find-file-noselect only has 1-2 parameters, not 3 as it's specified in
nnfolder, for instance. The error possibly causing the trouble with
connecting is located in nntp.el. While byte-compiling, I got the
error (something like) undefined function: open-network-stream. If
need be, I'll do it once more and provide the exact result.

I'm using Emacs 19.29 on OS/2. Oh, please don't make sgnus require
19.30 and upwards only. There are still some ports which haven't made
it that far yet...

While I'm here... I'm completely unsuccessful at getting POP mail to
work. What's the correct procedure? Currently I'm using poppoll to get
my email and then read the mbox-file generated with nnml. But I would
like nnmail to connect to my mailhost (trym.uio.no) and get my email
from there. Is this possible? The info-file is not very helpful
here...

Regards,
Dan Lewi Harkestad

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Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Roger Williams]

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Lewi Harkestad <d.l.harkestad@labmed.uio.no> writes:

  > I'm using Emacs 19.29 on OS/2...
  > There are still some ports which haven't made it that far yet...

19.30 on OS/2 has been generally available since 17 December, and is
apparently bug-free so far.

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Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Richard Stanton]

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Lewi Harkestad <d.l.harkestad@labmed.uio.no> writes:

    >> I just installed 0.27 (upgrading from 0.26), and tried to run it. It
    >> gets as far as the opening "gnu" screen, then gives me the following
    >> error message in the minibuffer:
    >> 
    >> agate open error: ''. Continue (y or n)

    Dan> Well, I got the same error message (although not agate as
    Dan> server).
 
    Dan> I'm using Emacs 19.29 on OS/2. Oh, please don't make sgnus require
    Dan> 19.30 and upwards only. There are still some ports which haven't made
    Dan> it that far yet...

I'm also running OS/2, so maybe that's a factor, but I'm running
19.30, not 19.29, so that's not the reason for (my)
problem. Byte-compiling seems to work fine for me(I get the same
message about open-network-stream not being known to be defined, but
those are pretty common). However, the fact that the TCP.EXE process
doesn't even start does seem to imply that the problem may be with
some changes to nntp.el.

    Dan> While I'm here... I'm completely unsuccessful at getting POP mail to
    Dan> work. What's the correct procedure? Currently I'm using poppoll to get
    Dan> my email and then read the mbox-file generated with nnml. But I would
    Dan> like nnmail to connect to my mailhost (trym.uio.no) and get my email
    Dan> from there. Is this possible? The info-file is not very helpful
    Dan> here...

What's wrong with using poppoll? It works fine for me.

Richard Stanton

Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Dan Lewi Harkestad]

Richard Stanton wrote:
>    >> I just installed 0.27 (upgrading from 0.26), and tried to run it. It
>    >> gets as far as the opening "gnu" screen, then gives me the following
>    >> error message in the minibuffer:
>    >> 
>    >> agate open error: ''. Continue (y or n)
>
>    Dan> Well, I got the same error message (although not agate as
>    Dan> server).
> 
>    Dan> I'm using Emacs 19.29 on OS/2. Oh, please don't make sgnus require
>    Dan> 19.30 and upwards only. There are still some ports which haven't made
>    Dan> it that far yet...
>
>I'm also running OS/2, so maybe that's a factor, but I'm running
>19.30, not 19.29, so that's not the reason for (my)
>problem. 

Well, I just upgraded to 19.30 (wasn't aware of the new port until
yesterday), still no luck. However, I got rid of the
find-file-noselect errors.

>Byte-compiling seems to work fine for me(I get the same
>message about open-network-stream not being known to be defined, but
>those are pretty common).

Yes. I got the same error while compiling 0.26, which connects to the
nntp-server without problems.

>However, the fact that the TCP.EXE process
>doesn't even start does seem to imply that the problem may be with
>some changes to nntp.el.

Yes, that sounds quite reasonable. And it sounds like this is an
OS/2-only problem. Sigh... Anyone have any clue to what's wrong here?

>    Dan> While I'm here... I'm completely unsuccessful at getting POP mail to
>    Dan> work. What's the correct procedure? Currently I'm using poppoll to get
>    Dan> my email and then read the mbox-file generated with nnml. But I would
>    Dan> like nnmail to connect to my mailhost (trym.uio.no) and get my email
>    Dan> from there. Is this possible? The info-file is not very helpful
>    Dan> here...
>
>What's wrong with using poppoll? It works fine for me.

Well, there's nothing wrong with poppoll. However, I would like to
have a cleaner interface to my email, where my emailclient polls the
email from the server without having to rely on external
programs. Apart from that, I'm perfectly happy with poppoll. :-)

Regards,
Dan Lewi Harkestad

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The National Hospital (Rikshospitalet)
Medical Library and Information Center

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Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Dan Lewi Harkestad <d.l.harkestad@labmed.uio.no> writes:

> While byte-compiling, I got the error (something like) undefined
> function: open-network-stream. If need be, I'll do it once more and
> provide the exact result.

Odd.  nntp.el has used that function since, like, forever.

> I'm using Emacs 19.29 on OS/2. Oh, please don't make sgnus require
> 19.30 and upwards only. 

September Gnus is definitely for Emacs 19.30 / XEmacs 19.13 / latest
Mule (and upwards) only.  My reasoning for doing something absolutely
fascist as this goes as follows:  I spend a finite time at the
keyboard.  Being compatible with older Emacsen takes time.  So, what
makes more sense -- writing that *fab* new `gnus-frobnoze-world'
command or doing silly things to work around missing features in Emacs
19.22?  I can't do both.  

> While I'm here... I'm completely unsuccessful at getting POP mail to
> work. What's the correct procedure? Currently I'm using poppoll to get
> my email and then read the mbox-file generated with nnml. But I would
> like nnmail to connect to my mailhost (trym.uio.no) and get my email
> from there. Is this possible? The info-file is not very helpful
> here...

You have to set the MAILHOST environment variable to "trym.uio.no"
before starting Emacs, I think.  The September 0.27 "Reading Mail"
node in the manual covers this better than it used to.

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Re: (0.27) sgnus doesn't even try to connect to server <fixed>

[Dan Lewi Harkestad]

>I just installed 0.27 (upgrading from 0.26), and tried to run it. It
>gets as far as the opening "gnu" screen, then gives me the following
>error message in the minibuffer:
>
>agate open error: ''. Continue (y or n)

It seems like some code was removed from nntp.el sometimes during
Christmas break, specifically the code providing for external
tcp-processes (like the method Emacs on OS/2 uses). Anyway, after
checking the diffs between nntp.el for version 0.26 and 0.27, I've
added some code from 0.26. It seems to work pretty well.

I hope it helps.

Dan Lewi Harkestad

*** nntp.el.orig	Tue Jan 16 21:38:22 1996
--- nntp.el	Thu Jan 18 13:27:40 1996
***************
*** 1080,1085 ****
--- 1080,1090 ----
    "Open connection to news server on SERVER by SERVICE (default is nntp)."
    (let (proc)
      (save-excursion
+       ;; Use TCP/IP stream emulation package if needed.
+       (or (fboundp 'open-network-stream)
+ 	  (require 'tcp))
+       ;; Initialize communication buffer.
+       (nnheader-init-server-buffer)
        (set-buffer nntp-server-buffer)
        (cond
         ((setq proc


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Medical Library and Information Center

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