From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57806 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jochen_K=FCpper?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus vs Wanderlust Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:21:34 +0200 Organization: Fritz-Haber-Institut der MPG Sender: ding-owner-qhrM8SXbD5ICJmmTlSVZx4dd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org Message-ID: <9eekoxho4h.fsf@fhi-berlin.mpg.de> References: <87zn7mvrcl.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086195824 19451 80.91.224.253 (2 Jun 2004 17:03:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6347-qhrM8SXbD5ICJmmTlSVZx4dd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org Wed Jun 02 19:03:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVZ98-0002pM-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:03:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVZ8H-0006hc-00; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:02:29 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVZ8A-0006hW-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:02:22 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVZ88-0001Xq-Fc for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:02:20 -0500 Original-Received: from duras.rz-berlin.mpg.de (duras.RZ-Berlin.MPG.DE [141.14.130.154]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0AC3A004D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by duras.rz-berlin.mpg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0F3ED725 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:02:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from duras.rz-berlin.mpg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (duras [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00870-07 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain.fhi-berlin.mpg.de (gowron.RZ-Berlin.MPG.DE [141.14.130.77]) by duras.rz-berlin.mpg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD07EED46C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding-smP1P7uqpqc@public.gmane.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEUcGRSqioSCPi7Cwbxu Vk5MQjycXkxMKiQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFG2qEAAAB5klEQVR42nXUwY7aMBAA UK8E4tqpI/fMKIWzFdBewcwm10WA9tpksz6zFci/37GdxF7a+mLwi2fGQ4yo/jPE9AkaIcRM/gU7 EcfTA/zgtWsuEfRmWPVjlsOryMYpAYgvYz9B8RXmhxHEw/gcQD+sz/cDbMLXhbu7a6j6Nob6FuDW U21+uje8nuUA/rnXxR4ArCWi5jhWJSJUmoWop7HckPt+Bz6PsrYmexgg5HY3CDvKuq/lAM9hB4VQ HfZEMt8xj2BLSrD1cDlThNJMoXSEWnroDJr3HM5nDtUbRIPuluDqLlx8YdYuh0o87S6+DWANUrn+ Pf0eO7vh1Awf98XKXi/jAatnCwU/Bebl5pZqjRNs2xa4IcoqdEuN5QSbFn3pYLkqqbtyLLfSEbQi XEn4jsvpZRiAO7UCUCYBhE7zhAgSclAyToiSO5xgA+8RONYqD6X3YYdWnakJU1WVPsaI0LXU5VBF kMr6aJTBPk4KfP5SJoAYEXpE5/4FVnVrpHQ/tny/pAduZl/bBDsGLbkqD7ZN0PgbCfwucPL49gzd pZmPw22SoPoc+iZkAL+J6nRrdQEHf+4Qqm4TFJJ8idxYrumY/QEAFHQI65xhcZqgOEHhTAhk6WUu jgPohnc4wgD21+zN+c79AZmNym6Cgz4IAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC User-Agent: No Gnus v0.3 X-Archive: encrypt X-Attribution: Jochen X-Request-PGP: http://jochen-kuepper.de/computer/keys.asc X-URL: http://jochen-kuepper.de In-Reply-To: (colin rafferty's message of "Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:26:57 -0400") Original-Lines: 39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (PP&B) at duras Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57806 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57806 Jumping in here only to give a somewhat different view. I still agree that improved summary generation would be great. On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:26:57 -0400 colin rafferty wrote: colin> Both of these choices make a lot of sense for newsgroups, since in colin> general, what was in the summary before has already been read, and t= he colin> user won't be interested in it again. However, with regular mail, y= ou colin> want to see everything, so it doesn't make sense. I mainly use Gnus as a MUA and use it for that reason. I would be perfectly happy to read the few newsgroups I look at using anything. I have fairly large mail-groups with archived stuff that I always never need. A typical group for me could contain 500 or 2500 messages, most of which are "old". Then there might be 10, sometimes 50 ticked articles I keep "visible" because they require a reaction at some point or another. In addition there are of course often 1--50 new messages when I enter a group. Overall there are typically 10--50 messages to be shown in the summary... Not so bad. (Especially not so bad for my brain wading through a group. With the full list of messages I would go mad.) Then I wanna check an old email I now I stored. Normally it is obvious what group it is in, so I might go there and simply ask for all articles, then limit it to author or subject or search the messages -- this (i.e. opening with all messages) can be horribly slow, maybe also because often message numbers are sparse; however, it doesn't happen too often. So I can live with some delay here... In the end hiding articles and that for me is "added functionality" most MUAs don't provide. Greetings, Jochen --=20 Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit http://www.Jochen-Kuepper.de Libert=E9, =C9galit=E9, Fraternit=E9 GnuPG key: CC1B0B4D (Part 3 you find in my messages before fall 2003.)