From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/28276 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: de .* and gnus-group-posting-charset-alist Date: 17 Dec 1999 09:53:22 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <9t9so12osn1.fsf@mraz.iskon.hr> References: <87ogbwjtpw.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035165153 29039 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:52:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BD3D051E for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:57:25 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAB10603; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:53:50 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:53:59 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14609 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:53:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mraz.iskon.hr (unknown [195.29.170.8]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D70BD051E for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:53:25 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from hniksic@localhost) by mraz.iskon.hr (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) id JAA04306; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:53:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: mraz.iskon.hr: hniksic set sender to hniksic@iskon.hr using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: Hrvoje X-Face: &{dT~)Pu6V<0y?>3p$;@vh\`C7xB~A0T-J%Og)J,@-1%q6Q+, gs<-9M#&`I8cJp2b1{vPE|~+JE+gx;a7%BG{}nY^ehK1"q#rG O,Rn1A_Cy%t]V=Brv7h writes: > smarkacz@anathema.eu.org (smarkacz) writes: > > > How do you know whether these undeclared characters are Latin1, Latin2, > > Windows1250 (yuck) or any other coding system? > > Easy, look at the newsgroups header. That doesn't really work. Now that I use Gnus with Mule, I have real problems with Croatian users' broken new agents, which mis-declare Latin 2 articles as Latin 1. Poor Gnus thinks the message is Latin 1, and renders it that way. :-( Unix Slrn/Tin users are especially guilty of this, because many of them don't bother to setup their newsreaders correctly. After all, *their* newsreaders just dump 8bit data to the terminal, which uses Latin 2 fonts, so *they* see it right. Crock like Windows-1250 can be handled, but not generally, i.e. such handling is but a local hack, based on the fact that only two Croatian-specific characters differ in positions between windows-1250 and Latin 2. So you can "convert" between the two without loss of information by swapping the two characters' codes. It all just sucks.