From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80312 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: RE: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:54:23 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com><87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com><58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com><83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org><83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org><20FFD44DE7DF42C78FDDA3EF06397A78@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318373682 14708 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 22:54:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' , 'PJ Weisberg' , larsi@gnus.org, 'Eli Zaretskii' , miles@gnu.org To: "'Tim Cross'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 00:54:37 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlDY-00022T-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:54:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlDX-0005gn-W4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlDV-0005gR-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:54:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlDU-0004v5-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:54:33 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:32952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDlDR-0004tV-9L; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9BMsN8d001567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:54:25 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BMsMIN004571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:54:23 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p9BMsHw0022892; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:54:17 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.50.234) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:54:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyIZvCCRmkRXMIIQa6Y5zuBATF2AQAARavw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4E94C921.0107:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144928 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80312 Archived-At: > >> If this means that users cannot submit bugs using emacs as their > >> MUA when running -Q it does not mean we need to hack at=20 > >> custom or make exceptions - it means that email is not the right ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =20 > >> solution for submitting bug messages when running under -Q. > > > > I acknowledge your "IF", Tim, but I disagree that we should=20 > > accept a situation where users cannot send bug reports using > > email. =A0Of course, to do so they need _some_ way of sending > > email, but it does not follow that they need to use Emacs > > as that way. =A0They should be able to compose the bug report=20 > > in Emacs and send it any way they want and can. > > OK, I'll try to clarify. Emacs bug reporting should not prevent people > from using another MUA to submit a bug report and it may even > facilitate doing so if someone wants to implement such support. > However, I think it is quite reasonable if, while running under -Q, > you cannot use emacs as the MUA to submit the bug report. ^^^^^ We are in agreement, I think. I was reacting to your going beyond not = using Emacs as the MUA to not using email at all (for emacs -Q. My guess is = that you misspoke and that we agree. If we don't agree about that, at least we seem to agree about the rest = (no config to report a bug using emacs -Q, etc.).