From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77891 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Outgoing mail defaults Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300383294 31735 80.91.229.12 (17 Mar 2011 17:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26209@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Mar 17 18:34:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0H60-00017J-8U for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:34:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0H5u-0001k1-Ud; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:34:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Gwm-0001bR-OJ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:25:16 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Gwl-0005rU-CE for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:25:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Gwk-0007QT-A9; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:25:14 +0100 Original-Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so1603252yic.17 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=CqbcjQlXNgIyu0p1HbH53KQYDw1c/x2bSqT5LBlku6k=; b=Qrz2tT9uYxivisdtTuQsLDlUjwLWKla7eEsgTJzavErfHhDoX0rgfSy/ICY6reToi1 2EqTsGRoYwKqWqc0mzyGlFDKeYaW88HWsGamepoAMXNL0EX1OKS+LPcglTrY/93TCCuw Skkd/kGtgj1NK6mFKBx10lPBwyNmSY3x4c7Zw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=GbFS0sR4DZex4/2R8o6258QCyIyDecuIlWGL2imIEGTXzkYN9gsAphKfYNAfotczIw 8kNQi/JQz48dDpyOAulBMy6Volfo69I9yq/L9aSJDWRV0OwpdlNFu1/az6QgQg1bF4QR b2FzQs6K4exToTUWlmlvhYz5HI8/VZmFzJz6A= Original-Received: by 10.42.244.8 with SMTP id lo8mr7484icb.380.1300382707623; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from elin.psy.cmu.edu (ELIN.PSY.CMU.EDU [128.2.248.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm740377ibo.25.2011.03.17.10.25.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:77891 gmane.emacs.devel:137349 Archived-At: On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >=20 > So I'm wondering whether Emacs should default to using smtpmail. The > nice thing about using smtpmail is that Emacs has explicit control of > how the mail is sent, which is more important now than it used to be, > what with all the closed port 25s that ISP like to give their = customers > these days. > 2) change smtpmail so that it queries the user for SMTP host name (and > possibly port number) Yes. =20 In addition, you'll want to ask for the Sender name and address. The `mailclient' package was written to address this problem, but the = resulting behavior is not ideal as it passes the message to another mail = client, which usually displays it before it is sent. `Mailclient' is = used on OS X as a default. It may be sensible to do what you say, but use a different = configuration, by default, for the bug reporter. When no SMTP server = is configured, I would suggest that the bug reporter attempts to go = through a server-side script running on Savannah that files the bug = report (or sends the message to a specific address). One could also = configure an open SMTP server that only accepts e-mail to the specific = bug reporting addresses, which is then used as a default for bug = reporting. Otherwise, non-configuration will make bug-reporting cumbersome and keep = some users from reporting their bugs.