From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88904 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: oauth to be required for gmail Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:31:27 -1000 Message-ID: References: <8736dkhx05.fsf@bobnewell.net> <877e2uvpve.fsf@gnus.org> <877e2uzw6z.fsf@randomsample> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="171435"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M37107@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 18 06:32:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ihRwk-000iPZ-Qm for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 06:32:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ihRw9-0005Fn-PV; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:31:53 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ihRw5-0005Cm-Ha for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:31:49 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ihRw3-0003DT-B5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:31:49 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ihRvw-0002KA-3O for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 06:31:42 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id a15so947642otf.1 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:31:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0jUtANheyPFwO2OmPmCyyCRxWJLYHTW0vFMtwPqY354=; b=OSvnZazD+WSfWD7D2TNqOXZBJiFLCS/JwxlsyMrqyrqadl6qiI+8IyJzFVgUNIlPN3 zRDomEVbLIfxSacJmza5BGPxy9H+pcgGh8XxNJcPKaJRcSeVmWmMZ4ifyC2/myTqeEGG LulQNQn8uhFoAaYgswrvKSo/2nUUcbQe0vgmZ4JFzZfYayVi5DRbH6Hh5PfT6lpq9Ku2 qHcgCzcWlI06JY+zPVbLVPTwj+abajFvJ1Pjb8ywHD9IZ/IbuNb9Hnf/snxGmmCasAjb lwUNdMo7373+25MfHqRItvrr2q64skLlBK1YODbrVAY8AQZPLUBb8SUFw0UyOXhC36S6 FWhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0jUtANheyPFwO2OmPmCyyCRxWJLYHTW0vFMtwPqY354=; b=R/BcvrASr1JoZ2jznbCOasq/itJV45w4Ec/561aqysXSb8UrKjnmboAoUVqBczPtPA ptwBr4d9j/Wqq8wIeJzl0ABwoBVkzZRikxXRO0kt+zjBgpmtQFRck6rVePTl9oceL7zV nXPfQuB984UDqcBgJNiyvqv2GjusuUP3avBoKIsHC7GZbJKYGtvIRtIUmxl42h5IY77R uv30U9v8gghFnlMxxscr4V2ERe9Jrz/jDdgQ85tzVb0Ik9wF3Knb3h53HAiuBsTeOjXQ TbKlacfxFB4UPqaiBqAF0h1YjIh7cfGU125KJaiES59iz0rzbSP7cPYYA13i1rc7fWp5 sDPw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXZoHWwoaqnKBdSIpLY+7KiolcF6DifgNkmegRznLhPLf4qjQNj rBY4UQE4rZ27XLa3VxxRGKsnmojfW/Ud/k1cEONl9LHotnQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxvtJnKEu7LVnF29qxLhy6bgd8pcw7PfGb8CkL+c20bgXrc9vzP924pO2dSQm9mcRUHEwlKnJI99Pq1K4mA6R0= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5e9a:: with SMTP id f26mr635638otl.307.1576647098708; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877e2uzw6z.fsf@randomsample> List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88904 Archived-At: Some further info: like it or not this appears to be the way big commercial email services are going. AOL is ending "less secure" logins in a couple of months, and they don't currently publish a method to get oauth2 tokens. (Okay, it's AOL, but it's an example of the trend.) Yahoo, who owns AOL, hasn't announced anything that I can find, but I imagine they'll go the same way too. I really think that gnus will have to support oauth natively in order to keep up. Not necessarily a pleasant thought, and yes, there are current workarounds as described in this thread, but ... gnus is not alone. Other mail clients and mail fetchers will have to follow suit. Doggone it, I thought it was a sort of cool irony to access AOL mail via gnus. This will leave a big hole in my life :)