From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88921 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: oauth to be required for gmail Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 19:16:01 -1000 Message-ID: References: <8736dkhx05.fsf@bobnewell.net> <877e2uvpve.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv5yxgae.fsf@randomsample> <878sn3qpco.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <87lfr3fdkr.fsf@randomsample> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="111451"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M37124@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 24 06:17:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ijcZ9-000Sk6-US for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 06:17:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ijcYV-0004i8-Nc; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:16:27 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ijcYR-0004fL-G5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:16:23 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ijcYO-0002Pf-GH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 23:16:23 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ijcYI-0002Lq-5T for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 06:16:16 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id b18so3132660otp.0 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dnp/dJB3VTymtjIIc/69KdqWknz6/0gWQx1Z7dFRMMw=; b=UKnhvR8p8mrRtWLQ2bbhn9HxPzmCfh9kqn5OljB4bLE0zNKalVoFQufmvwxVjRudnI xNXq3Cyl+flGYHK3ct0B1Y8RKR0nj2BH8m7QCWYQCgZwNgGLF1UqrXzcLEXE3wo/ajqc aoOKd00oCspWQL9QqusX2aLgVGQRKmjUGyFNXW4zl6YRipKQbtt5S0c1lANLciYulDy7 Gwz/05ZJasoSd/Ogvq4qT5+zLw4F7OZUu/8OWiu5faBcbyoEpSGHH6edW90jilk8H0dI CdqS3oqqwoJGYS/deKGV1r0Rtel1SqPyxbcgG+L6i20iRewTee/25wimpyewOCV/c/wj XIAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dnp/dJB3VTymtjIIc/69KdqWknz6/0gWQx1Z7dFRMMw=; b=rKEeOSUAqbYY/sKcBWdkYQxfy0yY7eyxVoQFr/rjhuq/b9kwP4ujK6pNXhTGXYHiKb QRnJskH6DlTvZcMdlbEdLge76YyFoj9h1evJ37jgDrcbtxLN+t7jiJDQL19SHNLXMPPY aIlQocjabXgzgji1Oo6DaYowFA0JBMl2HrVKHzVbWnmS3LYVfWaNnHBHJ0iTmJxBHmbt RKmxyOCYNGbnRrpriad2+/9QghFP2xIu2wy/SAoV+AZuDRMwQB6QNhKYQjzDwNEJtmeR WXK8VtbNuD6vEwIGsu0XHrt8/7o+NcKXR+er8hRGAgw5on6SgEKwNs6iUIPYPP+a+Zlr 7+Tw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsaPKBkmFYwtgWA1mJxcjk2d3bD81h4EIvT29FWOTHlADeYl1U wAMCAu8SNFJmYtCpSfNvrXz4wTY0+3LmPIr9/i4gByeUYAo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz/6DanXRH7qMPeiug2dTk6OnLjOPo2jbsQuO5K/UDGFbYmgw5hpEjNjQB9FQmFZEN7rgQt9qMPR3Y1UqFOwt8= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:590b:: with SMTP id t11mr37411910oth.161.1577164572763; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:16:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87lfr3fdkr.fsf@randomsample> List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88921 Archived-At: > The real solution of course is > that users simply stop using Google Mail and choose a proper mail > provider. > > -David In the end I'll likely just set up the oauth credentials and put in the necessary software changes, but I have serious considered your "real" solution. There are a couple of problems, though. I have a lot of gmail-specific coding (perhaps a bad decision on my part) and a lot of stuff in the gmail ecosystem. But my fear is that, should I change to another provider --- I don't know, FastMail or someone--- they might in time go the same route. Eliminating "less secure" login methods certainly seems to be trending. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i Via Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB.