From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88723 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:46:58 -1000 Message-ID: References: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87blwmuh6j.fsf@dick.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87mug6klq3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="83157"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36927@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Aug 19 04:48:01 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzXiC-000LQd-Tx for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 04:48:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzXha-0005wy-V4; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:47:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzXhU-0005uC-KQ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:47:16 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzXhT-0001YS-8D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:47:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com ([209.85.210.46]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzXhP-0005A3-Jq for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 04:47:13 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id c34so319636otb.7 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=axzOKyALnbhY4Oux9R0WpNS7IHtFFPihrTZOyFz5UoI=; b=CbhTIZXj20BqmB3vINLRZUbVohTqADcm+JjBBwSv2J949KPjDF8unMBFuDB96At7Sd HNbD/7ESA8pMe+Q0I4PwL6cWGc7Y08vGY5w8UD8R9dYzzieg1bO1jFlU3o3O54JR46Gl E+B/1EyWTNcKj9z8H6v1VGC2N743xctEsB3ddrTqsbTdU1mlNcZSknqVeG3M39mZkGkR byDcuY3EVFeQnv6lkRYRuLenZc3DPhHp0bP0qec+pRluERBIOIeBBEdikkml3wSw5Hhh F8Br9yrL2oA6wxhUZrCcdaOcikji0Urp3bJ/Cs1TwWa+b6doxpuirqWTn0uLsN9EjZYa XXLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=axzOKyALnbhY4Oux9R0WpNS7IHtFFPihrTZOyFz5UoI=; b=r84bEmuVSnQsItLEnj+seHUEHZY8iEyBR1dcLud4OmXlGJUVh5oDszV9qFs1qLlagu LsBjrhHTiGxbYzJjVmh7AT3nj0212myqamOAZ/PVDjU36Y4ZCD+V8w45z+krWeuP0cQg e9aW2vd3y0SvNYsL4khuvfuoZObb5uQGu8lEsmE0iyVi2ZhXEIjCXOlPkZBljyCE4eX6 +Y4KE/GqXL8oWr0y46OaMS8w1O3Z6IUvHGT/rRaat/jEaxI+rAzbYBRH7GqybJLdQF7p nl9H+WzH7Pmfb7OWxSgGjez869ZcAx1m2u2Dtq+ddoUcOaIp435eFf1ObuGsO8MeaVsB 26nA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX5nvDYs1SsN2A8Uh0sqPdIYI6BhyW03qR84KHUcHjOyNvZuPZN xbXo6hILMaMr3QkInFi/7w62PvHdRSZta8U0hiwqEk/ea6U0Ow== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy6tAWESQWPQdm8s2mNb9iBbPCBFNKp52hc1PmffWpYP0hMW9CODBph+3VAhxZezDFVksmdOc/gPKXF97UevFo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:187:: with SMTP id q7mr12735125ota.23.1566182829278; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87mug6klq3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88723 Archived-At: I think the writeup is quite good as is. Gnus is so different from everything else it is a little hard to grasp at first, and the underlying philosophy is important to understand. Many, maybe most of us, have the advantage of 'remembering' Usenet and how things worked with newsgroups. That really helps in understanding the heritage and philosophy of Gnus. Today, with Usenet effectively dead and even Gwene offline (does ANYONE use NNTP any longer?) it's harder to grasp the group/article paradigm. So I think some verbosity is in order. Gnus isn't Yahoo Mail (thank heaven) nor is it Thunderbird. It's its own unique thing. I really should have sent this from my AOL account :) -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i Via Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB.