From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80308 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: RE: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:00:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com><87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com><58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com><83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org><83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org><20FFD44DE7DF42C78FDDA3EF06397A78@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318370450 26963 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 22:00:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' , 'PJ Weisberg' , larsi@gnus.org, 'Eli Zaretskii' , miles@gnu.org To: "'Tim Cross'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 00:00:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkNO-0005YK-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:00:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42985 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkNN-0006NU-MS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36919) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkNK-0006NM-GW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkNJ-0000KF-HI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:38 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:44382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDkNG-0000JS-Cq; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet24.oracle.com (ucsinet24.oracle.com [156.151.31.67]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9BM0TZG012566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:00:30 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet24.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9BLsVmR013907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:54:31 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p9BM0L3K022416; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:00:21 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.50.234) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:00:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyIW8oK/GcblJEhQo225k0gPV5z9QABN4XQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet24.oracle.com [156.151.31.67] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E94BC7F.0103,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144919 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80308 Archived-At: > and please, DO NOT jump through all sorts of hoops with -Q to enable > 'special' configuration settings to exist - the whole idea of -Q is > that it is a base, well known and repeatable configuration. Once you > start making exceptions that whole premise is lost. > > Using -Q should allow me to have exactly the same configuration as > someone else who also runs -Q - it should not be 'the same > configuration except for ....' 1+ > If this means that users cannot submit bugs using emacs as their > MUA when running -Q it does not mean we need to hack at custom or make > exceptions - it means that email is not the right solution for > submitting bug messages when running under -Q. I acknowledge your "IF", Tim, but I disagree that we should accept a situation where users cannot send bug reports using email. Of course, to do so they need _some_ way of sending email, but it does not follow that they need to use Emacs as that way. They should be able to compose the bug report in Emacs and send it any way they want and can. > By all means, allow it for other contexts, even make it the > default for people who do configure emacs as their MUA, but not > when running under -Q and not for those who do not configure emacs > as a their MUA. 1+