From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/65861 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: syncing from Emacs to Gnus Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196707434 10303 80.91.229.12 (3 Dec 2007 18:43:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, Reiner.Steib@gmx.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: ding-owner+M14356@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 03 19:44:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IzGGn-0000YW-Rz for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:43:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IzGGI-0000TJ-AU; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:43:22 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IzGGG-0000Sq-U6 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:43:20 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IzGG9-0005Xt-EM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:43:20 -0600 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1IzGG6-0006wk-00 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:43:10 +0100 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IzGG7-0006Rs-3Q; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:43:11 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:25:19 -0500) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:65861 gmane.emacs.devel:84580 Archived-At: > Gnus depends on lots of files in Emacs. These are just like the > others -- general purpose facilities (we moved them BECAUSE they are > general purpose) which Gnus happens to use. They should NEVER have > been included in Gnus. In many/most cases they were written specifically for Gnus, so I cannot agree with the above. Perhaps a few of them seemed to be special-purpose for Gnus when first installed. But some of them were clearly always general-purpose facilities. Those should be installed in Emacs as ordinary parts of Emacs, after a suitable discussion here. We should discuss the right design for them, just as we would if some other part of Emacs had been the motive for writing them.