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From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, yamaoka@jpl.org, ding@gnus.org,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:37:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1MNhpU-00036I-Ey@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buo7hymzcyl.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com> (message from Miles Bader on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:50:58 +0900)

     (1) We must still maintain message-mode as well, so mail-mode's
	 "simplicity" yields no obvious code maintenance Benefit.

Seeing that we have already rcirc vs. erc, rmail vs. gnus vs. vm
vs. mh (which each has their own mail sending mode!), viper
vs. vi-mode vs. vile; a small _derived_ mode can't be the problem.
You already have people who prefer it, and are more than happy to fix
any bugs it has.  Maintaince is clear not the issue here.

	 Indeed, it's obviously more of a _burden_ to maintain both
	 modes than it is to maintain message-mode alone (in the case
	 that we got rid of mail-mode).  This burden goes up, of
	 course, if mail-mode starts getting more features, like the
	 suggested attachments.

For such a feature to be properly implmented they wouldn't be in
mail-mode (or any such mode), but in a seperate mode that handles MIME
attachment exclusivly.  If message-mode handles this itself, then it
is a sign that it was not properly thought through.

  (3) Having both modes present presents a user burden, especially
      because the default is mail-mode -- there are many cases where a
      new user may need the extra features (even if he doesn't realize
      this, e.g., if he is sending non-ASCII characters in a way that
      isn't handled properly by mail-mode), but will still be using
      the default settings.

I use it every day for non-ASCII text, and mail-mode has not had any
problems with that.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-06  6:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <buows6qij9t.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com>
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     [not found]         ` <buo7hyqi2b6.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com>
     [not found]           ` <jwv4otqn70c.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2009-07-06  6:45             ` message-mode / mail-mode Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04               ` Stefan Monnier
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     [not found]   ` <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com>
     [not found]     ` <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
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     [not found]         ` <0922916E-B9DD-41C4-8A3D-8550CDD56B62@mit.edu>
     [not found]           ` <83r5ww1m3k.fsf@gnu.org>
2009-07-05  2:39             ` Sending attachments Miles Bader
2009-07-05  3:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  3:44                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06  3:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06  3:50                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06  4:54                           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35                               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07  0:59                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07  9:43                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08  0:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  6:37                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2009-07-06  7:47                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  5:57                             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12  3:05                             ` Leo
2009-07-12  3:10                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15  9:35                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44                                 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  8:01               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05  8:30                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <E1MMj74-0003cD-P4@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <877hyp3by2.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
     [not found]           ` <E1MMrcO-0000SJ-K8@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-07-15 21:51             ` Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
     [not found] ` <E1MM5xL-0003WW-TZ@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <E1MNFFR-0006gw-Dn@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <jwvskhalrz5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <E1MNpjn-0005Ab-1m@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <jwvzlbbdybf.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <E1MPw2H-0006YD-7X@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <jwvljmsbx5i.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <E1MQfUg-0005pF-Gr@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                 ` <87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
     [not found]                   ` <E1MRFUw-0001fh-MZ@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                     ` <87iqhsr8jm.fsf@lifelogs.com>
     [not found]                       ` <E1MRnWA-0004Yi-Cu@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                         ` <87my73kwxc.fsf@lifelogs.com>
     [not found]                           ` <E1MSDRN-0008TW-MF@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-07-18 19:15                             ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el " Reiner Steib
2009-07-19  4:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  5:30                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26                                       ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57                                   ` Kevin Ryde

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