From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/21201 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hallvard B Furuseth Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Get \201 when I edit mail Date: 15 Feb 1999 03:22:20 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035159352 21801 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:15:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19375 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:23:13 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAB13556; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:21:53 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:23:01 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18065 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:22:53 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from pat.uio.no (6089@pat.uio.no [129.240.130.16]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19353 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:22:45 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from pat.uio.no (actually pat.uio.no [129.240.130.16]) by pat.uio.no with SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:22:21 +0100 Original-Received: from bombur.uio.no ([129.240.186.42]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10CDfx-000760-00 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:22:21 +0100 Original-Received: by bombur.uio.no ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:22:21 +0100 (MET) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:12:50 GMT" Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:21201 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:21201 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Bitch at RMS. Tell him to fix the idiocy in MULE, or at least all the >> stupid bugs. Things get done at the FSF if the right people complain. > > I don't really know what to complain about. Gnus is in a different > position from, well, everything else in Emacs in that the things that > Gnus deals with have explicit information in the files themselves as > to what character set they use, Only because rmail doesn't seem to handle Content-Type: ...charset=xxx. > while the rest of Emacs converts when reading/writing. So Gnus uses > quite a bit of energy to avoid the implicit transformation so that the > explicit transformation can be done safely. You mean you _haven't_ bitched that MULE makes it hard to work with files that have explicit character set information?? > But at the moment I can't really envision how to do the implicit > transformation in any other way than what MULE does. This might mean > that implicit transformation is a bad thing, Depends on what you mean. Automatic translation can be good after someone asks for it it, but not when it's done by default. E.g. if Emacs had tagged objects (buffers, strings, whatever) with their coding system and also let you modify the tag, then copying an object to one with a different coding system could automatically convert. That can be good. And it can be bad if abused. -- Hallvard