* Unsolicited ads @ 1996-06-10 13:30 David Worenklein 1996-06-10 13:53 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-06-10 15:07 ` Ketil Z Malde 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: David Worenklein @ 1996-06-10 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Some how, I've gotten onto an e-junk-mail list. Has anyone thought about ways of dealing with this? For instance, maintaining a list of all people who have sent me mail in the past and lowering the score of an article if it's from someone not on the list? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 13:30 Unsolicited ads David Worenklein @ 1996-06-10 13:53 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-06-10 17:26 ` Steven L Baur 1996-06-10 15:07 ` Ketil Z Malde 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-10 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "DW" == David Worenklein <dcw@gcm.com> writes: DW> Has anyone thought DW> about ways of dealing with this? Complain. I usually forward a copy to `postmaster', `abuse', and the technical and administrative contact (from whois) of the first host(s) mentioned in the `received:' headers and the DNS server of that host. It is a boring and time consuming job, but I think it is the only way to keep the noise at a manageable level. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 13:53 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-10 17:26 ` Steven L Baur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-10 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding, David Worenklein >>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: >>>>> "DW" == David Worenklein <dcw@gcm.com> writes: DW> Has anyone thought DW> about ways of dealing with this? Per> Complain. I usually forward a copy to `postmaster', `abuse', and Per> the technical and administrative contact (from whois) of the Per> first host(s) mentioned in the `received:' headers and the DNS Per> server of that host. When you complain be firm but polite when directing the email to the domain contacts. In some cases I've had to deal with, the technical & administrative contacts for spamming domains are lower-level staff who don't really have much control over the matter. Don't expect an answer, and resist the temptation to email them an emacs core dump, as it will probably hurt your system more when it bounces. You can always try the tactic of billing (via snail mail) them for your time in cleaning up after their spam. This is reasonably effective against repeat spamming all by itself, however there are enough people without a clue and outside of the local jurisdiction that you probably can't sue when they don't pay, and do it more than once (like the Internet Business Bureau, which I see has changed its ``good'' name in the last month -- at least Internet Business Broadcasting is a more appropriate name for a Spammer). Per> It is a boring and time consuming job, but I think it is the only Per> way to keep the noise at a manageable level. Yup. -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour. Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone except you in November. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 13:30 Unsolicited ads David Worenklein 1996-06-10 13:53 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-10 15:07 ` Ketil Z Malde 1996-06-10 17:13 ` Steven L Baur 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Ketil Z Malde @ 1996-06-10 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: GNUS Mailing List David Worenklein <dcw@gcm.com> writes: > Some how, I've gotten onto an e-junk-mail list. Has anyone thought > about ways of dealing with this? For instance, maintaining a list of > all people who have sent me mail in the past and lowering the score of > an article if it's from someone not on the list? I maintain a list of all domains that have repeatedly sent me spam in the past, and use procmail to automatically discard mail from these domains. Some magic ensures that messages that are replies to my own messages won't be affected. Of course, the list of rotten domains should perhaps be globally maintained, so that when enough spams have originated from some domain, it could be automatically blocked by all who wanted. For my particular spam filtering, look at: http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html ~kzm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 15:07 ` Ketil Z Malde @ 1996-06-10 17:13 ` Steven L Baur 1996-06-10 20:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-10 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: David Worenklein, GNUS Mailing List >>>>> "Ketil" == Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> writes: >> David Worenklein <dcw@gcm.com> writes: >> Some how, I've gotten onto an e-junk-mail list. Has anyone thought >> about ways of dealing with this? For instance, maintaining a list >> of all people who have sent me mail in the past and lowering the >> score of an article if it's from someone not on the list? The problem with this is that the worse offenders use throw-away accounts, so the first message from that mailbox may well be the last ... Ketil> I maintain a list of all domains that have repeatedly sent me Ketil> spam in the past, and use procmail to automatically discard Ketil> mail from these domains. Some magic ensures that messages that Ketil> are replies to my own messages won't be affected. Ketil> Of course, the list of rotten domains should perhaps be Ketil> globally maintained, so that when enough spams have originated Ketil> from some domain, it could be automatically blocked by all who Ketil> wanted. Yup. There is a maintained black list. Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> has a reference to it in a Gnus/antispam page: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/ (there's a reference to this in the Gnus FAQ). Ketil> For my particular spam filtering, look at: Ketil> http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html (Also referenced by the Gnus FAQ, BTW). The problem with any solution of this form is that it is reactive, and ineffective against many spams. A better long-term solution is going to be maintaining a ``white list'', and filtering non-white list e-mail to a lower priority mailbox. I like the idea of only accepting personal e-mail that contains ecash postage of some sort, and then only cashing in on the postage if you deem the mail message not worth the time to read it. The technology for implementing this kind of a solution is well within the current capabilities of Gnus all by itself, though it won't be of much use until ecash (of whatever form) is more prevalent. A wild idea off the top of my head: How effective would a closed mailing list be that distributed the equivalent of NoCEM information about spammers? The messages would be of the same form, and could be automatically processed by Gnus ... -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour. Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone except you in November. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 17:13 ` Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-10 20:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-06-10 22:12 ` Steven L Baur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-06-10 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes: > A wild idea off the top of my head: > How effective would a closed mailing list be that distributed the > equivalent of NoCEM information about spammers? The messages would be > of the same form, and could be automatically processed by Gnus ... I think it sounds like a good idea. It would have to react to email addresses and not Message-IDs, though. But a mailing list that one could subscribe to that will instruct your mail reader which persons to ignore would be a nice idea. Properly PGP-signed and all that jazz, of course. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 20:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-06-10 22:12 ` Steven L Baur 1996-06-11 1:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-06-16 0:45 ` Clarification (was Re: Unsolicited ads) Steven L Baur 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-10 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: Lars> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes: >> A wild idea off the top of my head: >> How effective would a closed mailing list be that distributed the >> equivalent of NoCEM information about spammers? The messages would be >> of the same form, and could be automatically processed by Gnus ... Lars> I think it sounds like a good idea. It would have to react to email Lars> addresses and not Message-IDs, though. But a mailing list that one Lars> could subscribe to that will instruct your mail reader which persons Lars> to ignore would be a nice idea. Properly PGP-signed and all that Lars> jazz, of course. Of course. With the ability to 1. choose who you want to accept Mail NoCEM messages from 2. have the ability to sort away killed messages into specific group (mail.edmonds.killed, eg.) 3. protect certain groups (just in case) 4. ignore any local addresses (as per the boss-mail example in the manual) 5. ignore any addresses found on a white list (Hey, that's my former roommate in your global kill file!) You would want to keep the terms simple though, let GroupLens handle more complex scoring ... -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour. Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone except you in November. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsolicited ads 1996-06-10 22:12 ` Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-11 1:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-06-16 0:45 ` Clarification (was Re: Unsolicited ads) Steven L Baur 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-06-11 1:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes: > Of course. With the ability to > 1. choose who you want to accept Mail NoCEM messages from > 2. have the ability to sort away killed messages into specific group > (mail.edmonds.killed, eg.) > 3. protect certain groups (just in case) > 4. ignore any local addresses (as per the boss-mail example in the manual) > 5. ignore any addresses found on a white list (Hey, that's my > former roommate in your global kill file!) Yup. But the most important thing is to define the syntax of these files. The rest is just a matter of user interface. Anybody up for writing a standard? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Clarification (was Re: Unsolicited ads) 1996-06-10 22:12 ` Steven L Baur 1996-06-11 1:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-06-16 0:45 ` Steven L Baur 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1996-06-16 0:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Brian Edmonds On the 10th of June I wrote in response to: Lars> I think it sounds like a good idea. It would have to react to email Lars> addresses and not Message-IDs, though. But a mailing list that one Lars> could subscribe to that will instruct your mail reader which persons Lars> to ignore would be a nice idea. Properly PGP-signed and all that Lars> jazz, of course. sb> Of course. With the ability to sb> 1. choose who you want to accept Mail NoCEM messages from sb> 2. have the ability to sort away killed messages into specific group sb> (mail.edmonds.killed, eg.) ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ... It is possible to read this the wrong way. I was not referring to sorting killed messages based on killee, but rather referring to the source of the source of the killfile which killed the message. While I would be interested in using Global Kill Files coming from a variety of places, the one which immediately came to mind was Brian Edmonds Global Kill File stuff quoted in the Gnus FAQ. I personally would not trust such a mechanism without some kind of safety net to see what exactly was being killed by those particular rules. I offer my public apologies to Brian for any confusion my poor choice of wording may have brought. -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour. Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone except you in November. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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