From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44197 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: "CNET imagines the perfect e-mail client" - can Emacs be it? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1018267862 13205 127.0.0.1 (8 Apr 2002 12:11:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ken Raeburn , Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16uXzC-0003Qs-00 for ; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:11:02 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16uXyH-0003Fa-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:10:05 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02493 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 23710 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2002 12:09:49 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23705 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 12:09:48 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 12:09:48 -0000 Original-Received: from yxa.extundo.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g38C9eKY001369; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:09:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (jas@localhost) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.2/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id g38C9cWW001358; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:09:38 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: yxa.extundo.com: jas owned process doing -bs Original-To: Per Abrahamsen In-Reply-To: Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44197 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44197 On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Per Abrahamsen wrote: > Ken Raeburn writes: > > > http://home.cnet.com/software/0-8888-8-9161160-1.html > > I did read it. I do not think that what they want would make sense to > implement in Emacs, they are clearly targetting a completely different > market. I didn't read it, but in theory I don't see a conflict between eye candy and user friendlyness and the amount of customizations possible in Gnus. In essence, I don't see why Gnus can't fit everyone. Emacsen seem to have GTK soon, and then Gnus could use all those colors and bitmaps and multimedia wizards and transperancy and themes and ripple effects and sound effects that everyone absolutely needs. The problem with user friendlyness in applications generally is that they are implemented poorly. Gnus can do better. It can be user friendly AND expert friendly. In practice there is the problem of finding someone who wants to implement though..