From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44710 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Copyright/license issues (was: [COMMIT] sign & encrypt changes) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020691574 13336 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2002 13:26:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 174iVK-0003Sz-00 for ; Mon, 06 May 2002 15:26:14 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 174iUf-0004mZ-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 08:25:33 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 06 May 2002 08:25:48 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02534 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 14058 invoked by alias); 6 May 2002 13:25:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14053 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 13:25:08 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 May 2002 13:25:08 -0000 Original-Received: from yxa.extundo.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g46DP7Q4008285; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:25:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (jas@localhost) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.3/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id g46DP44m008282; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:25:07 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: yxa.extundo.com: jas owned process doing -bs Original-To: Dmitry Bely In-Reply-To: Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44710 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44710 On Mon, 6 May 2002, Dmitry Bely wrote: > Per Abrahamsen writes: > > >> Most users needs *binary* [X]Emacs distribution and sophisticated > >> package system (like XEmacs has) that lets the end user to update > >> his/her system without downloading and recompiling everything. > > > > These days, I tend to update Emacs on my local machine automatically > > together with everything else by running dselect. I _do_ remember the > > time when I downloaded and compiled everything myself, but I disagree > > that doing that is what most users need these days. > > All XEmacs packages are already precompiled. You may include them in the > distribution, my update them off the XEmacs website, or may create > the neccessary .deb packages, that will be handled by apt/dselect. In any > case I fail to understand why having Gnus included into Emacs tarball (and > following FSF copyright policy) is so important. Because it is included? If our goal isn't to be included in Emacs, we can chose this and go our own path (like all previous Gnus forks has done). But then someone else will maintain the Gnus copy that IS included in Emacs, and I suspect most developers will follow that route instead. If you want Emacs to use a package model so that Gnus is not shipped with Emacs, this is the wrong mailing list for that discussion and emacs-devel is probably more appropriate.