From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/43643 Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: What is happening in agentized groups? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:10:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2nsn7pnzy6.fsf@zsh.cs.rochester.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quimby2.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1014678953 3403 195.204.10.66 (25 Feb 2002 23:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 23:15:53 GMT Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by quimby2.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16fULY-0000si-00; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:15:52 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16fUHA-00065R-00; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:11:20 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:11:20 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16822 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:11:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 2194 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2002 23:11:02 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2189 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 23:11:02 -0000 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net (HELO yxa.extundo.com) (217.13.230.178) by gnus.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 23:11:02 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1PNB0KY012609; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:11:00 +0100 Original-To: Harry Putnam In-Reply-To: (Harry Putnam's message of "Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:26:46 -0800") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: quimby.gnus.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:43643 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:43643 Harry Putnam writes: >> The Agent has a hard coded behaviour not to download read articles. >> There was a patch that added a new predicate `read' and changed the >> default predicate from short into (and (not read) short) but I >> couldn't find a way to make it backwards compatible so I hesitated >> about commiting it. But I'm not sure if readedness is causing your >> problem though. >> > How can I find out? Do you read anything before downloading it into the Agent? Then the read articles shouldn't be downloaded. Maybe this has changed, but I don't think so (but I haven't really used the agent much for a while). > About that readedness thing; shouldn't the agent just download > according to predicate and score, not mindfull of readedness. > One might read a message in plugged mode but still want it > downloaded. In fact, I would think that would be pretty much the > norm. I'd prefer the agent not pay attention to what I do when plugged. > > At the very least, a predicate of `true' should download everthing, > regardless. I would think. Yes, I think I agree. But that intuition might be counter-obvious if you consider nntp, where you usually begin by catching up thoose 50,000+ message before starting to follow a newsgroup. You don't want the agent to download all the old junk then.