Include ucs-tables.el?

Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
Latin-9 in their messages.

What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
that points to it?

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
> Latin-9 in their messages.
>
> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
> that points to it?

Added.

ShengHuo

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
> Latin-9 in their messages.
>
> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
> that points to it?

Added.

ShengHuo

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
>> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
>> that points to it?
>
> Added.

Great!

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
>> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
>> that points to it?
>
> Added.

Great!

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Ted Zlatanov]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
>> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
>> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
>> Latin-9 in their messages.
>>
>> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
>> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
>> that points to it?
>
> Added.

For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, and what
benefits it provides?

Thanks
Ted

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Ted Zlatanov]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
>> multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
>> to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
>> Latin-9 in their messages.
>>
>> What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
>> including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
>> that points to it?
>
> Added.

For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus, and what
benefits it provides?

Thanks
Ted

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote:

> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus,

(require 'ucs-tables)
(unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1)
(unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)

> and what benefits it provides?

AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15
posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut'
characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part
posting.

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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote:

> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus,

(require 'ucs-tables)
(unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1)
(unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)

> and what benefits it provides?

AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15
posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut'
characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part
posting.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Simon Josefsson]

Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes:

>> and what benefits it provides?
>
> AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
> charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15
> posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut'
> characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part
> posting.

As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default.  I
suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case.

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Simon Josefsson]

Reiner Steib <4uce.02.r.steib@gmx.net> writes:

>> and what benefits it provides?
>
> AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
> charset's if possible. E.g. if I want to reply to a iso-8859-15
> posting (quoting an EURO-symbol) and insert iso-8859-1-`Umlaut'
> characters (like äöü), Gnus would produce utf-8 or a multi-part
> posting.

As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default.  I
suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case.

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Daniel Pittman]

On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Reiner Steib wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> 
>> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
>> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus,
> 
> (require 'ucs-tables)
> (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1)
> (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)

Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without
file-coding and with or without MULE?

Will it cope correctly with the soon-to-land Unicode internals of the
ben-mule branch of XEmacs, with more native support for non-MULE
internal encodings?

Does it cope with Emacs of those varieties?

Also, how does it interact with the Latin Unity package for XEmacs and
with the unity packages for Emacs21?

>> and what benefits it provides?
> 
> AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
> charset's if possible. 

Is this only within the scope of Gnus message buffers, Gnus message and
display buffers or universally?

        Daniel

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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Daniel Pittman]

On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Reiner Steib wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 08 2002, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> 
>> For those of us who haven't followed discussions about ucs-tables.el,
>> can someone give a quick summary of how it's used in Gnus,
> 
> (require 'ucs-tables)
> (unify-8859-on-encoding-mode 1)
> (unify-8859-on-decoding-mode 1)

Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without
file-coding and with or without MULE?

Will it cope correctly with the soon-to-land Unicode internals of the
ben-mule branch of XEmacs, with more native support for non-MULE
internal encodings?

Does it cope with Emacs of those varieties?

Also, how does it interact with the Latin Unity package for XEmacs and
with the unity packages for Emacs21?

>> and what benefits it provides?
> 
> AFAIK (please correct me if it's wrong), it unifies iso-8859-*
> charset's if possible. 

Is this only within the scope of Gnus message buffers, Gnus message and
display buffers or universally?

        Daniel

-- 
I am for an art of teddy bears and guns and decapitated rabbits,
exploded umbrellas, raped beds, chairs with their brown bones broken,
burning trees, firecracker ends, chicken bones, pigeon bones and boxes
with men sleeping in them.
        -- Claes Oldenburg

Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default.  I
> suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case.

No.  When you have a posting with a Latin-1 ä and a Latin-9 ä, then
Gnus might use Latin-1, Latin-9 or UTF-8 for sending.  (With
ucs-tables, that is.  Without, Gnus will generate a multipart
message.) 

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> As far as I know, Gnus generates multipart postings by default.  I
> suspect that ucs-tables enables the unify-to-utf8 case.

No.  When you have a posting with a Latin-1 ä and a Latin-9 ä, then
Gnus might use Latin-1, Latin-9 or UTF-8 for sending.  (With
ucs-tables, that is.  Without, Gnus will generate a multipart
message.) 

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes:

> Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without
> file-coding and with or without MULE?

It is only a file in the contrib directory.  XEmacs users don't have
to use it.

I guess for XEmacs users it is easier to install the Latin-Unity
package.

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes:

> Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without
> file-coding and with or without MULE?

It is only a file in the contrib directory.  XEmacs users don't have
to use it.

I guess for XEmacs users it is easier to install the Latin-Unity
package.

kai
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Re: Include ucs-tables.el?

[Daniel Pittman]

On Sat, 09 Mar 2002, Kai Großjohann wrote:
> Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes:
> 
>> Does this function correctly under XEmacs both with and without
>> file-coding and with or without MULE?
> 
> It is only a file in the contrib directory.  

Ah. That wasn't clear to me from the discussion at hand. I thought it
was going to be activated automatically, hence my concern.[1]

> XEmacs users don't have to use it.

*nod*
        Daniel

Footnotes: 
[1]  Automatic data modification, even when it's well intended, worries me. 

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Include ucs-tables.el?

[Kai Großjohann]

Gnus users on German newsgroups keep whining that Emacs produces
multipart messages -- since this year, a lot more people are starting
to use Latin-9 and so people are wont to get a mixture of Latin-1 and
Latin-9 in their messages.

What do you think about taking ucs-tables.el from the Emacs CVS and
including it in the Gnus contrib directory, with a hint somewhere
that points to it?

kai
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Silence is foo!