From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63356 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gcc when article is already mailed Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:23 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: <87y7w06k05.fsf@nokile.rath.org> <8764j3nbdv.fsf@obelix.mork.no> Reply-To: sds@podval.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150293815 30404 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2006 14:03:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+m11883@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jun 14 16:03:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqVwx-0006kJ-C0 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:02:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1FqVwf-0006ye-00; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:09 -0500 Original-Received: from nas01.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.39]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1FqVsh-0006yZ-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:58:03 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas01.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqVsc-0007F6-ON for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:58:03 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FqVsX-00014G-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:57:53 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FqVsQ-0005d8-FD for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:57:46 +0200 Original-Received: from 209.213.205.130 ([209.213.205.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:57:46 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by 209.213.205.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:57:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.205.130 Mail-Copies-To: never X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XD1EwJcmXasWbalWmPm1awwsp9w= X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63356 Archived-At: > * Bjørn Mork [2006-06-14 14:57:00 +0200]: > > I guess there is a reason why it does things this way: Gnus can't know > that the Gcc will fail before trying it, at which time the message has > already been sent to via SMTP. Maybe trying Gcc first would be an > acceptable fix? Does it have any downside? I guess it will cause the > reversed problem: Gcc works but SMTP fails. But that would probably > be better, given enough warning so that the user knows the message was > not sent. Or? before trying GCC, gnus should check if the server is open, and, if not, it should try to re-open it. in general, this is not a magic bullet: if the server is down, then any operation will involving it will take a lot of time: an attempt to re-open it instead of an immediate error. the real solution is to allow user to "disable" a server without removing it permanently. if a server is disabled, then any operation involving it should not signal an error but display a warning instead - and proceed with the rest of a command. if a server is closed, any operation on it should start with a re-open attempt, and if that fails, a user should be presented with an error message suggesting to disable the server, and to remember to re-enable it later. -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) on Fedora Core release 5 (Bordeaux) http://pmw.org.il http://truepeace.org http://memri.org http://mideasttruth.com http://jihadwatch.org http://palestinefacts.org http://camera.org I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.