From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/83191 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: XEmacs builds failing - gnus-spec.el Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:39:09 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87a9nqu62k.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <5277.1368999929@rawbw.com> <8761yetyx5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87sj1isjmw.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87li7asg2y.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <871u92yuar.fsf@randomsample.de> <87a9npprn0.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <874ndxppzz.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ppwkavy5.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369179661 29361 80.91.229.3 (21 May 2013 23:41:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 23:41:01 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M31457@lists.math.uh.edu Wed May 22 01:40:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UewAp-0008Nw-Kx for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:40:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Uew9T-0005fE-Kx; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:39:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Uew9Q-0005ev-Q5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:39:28 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uew9K-0001LK-O2 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:39:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-hampton.hostforweb.net ([216.246.13.138] helo=hampton.hostforweb.net) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uew9J-0008JQ-2z for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:39:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]:43945 helo=localhost) by hampton.hostforweb.net with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uew9A-002Wao-Qe for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:39:13 -0500 X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPz8bKEI=?= Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (i686-pc-cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:MTp5gH6thSzkLowHgUI9Sb1ZOoY= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hampton.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hampton.hostforweb.net: acl_c_authenticated_local_user: root X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:83191 Archived-At: Adam Sj=F8gren wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> ?\=AB is ok for XEmacs 21.4 if it loads the Mule-UCS package that >> provides the utf-8 coding system. > But wouldn't just "171" work as well? Then we don't have to worry about > Mule-UCS etc. > I am probably putting my ignorance on display here... :-) Oh, sorry. I did misread the gnus-spec.el code as it does: (eq delim 171) By this way XEmacs doesn't recognize these operands are equal: (eq (aref "=AB" 0) 171) -> nil ;; Whereas (eq (aref "=AB" 0) ?\=AB) -> t However, the op is `=3D', not `eq'. (=3D (aref "=AB" 0) 171) returns t in XEmacs 21.4/21.5, I verified. Could you commit 171? >> BTW, isn't it possible for Gnus to drop the XEmacs 21.4 support? > I don't know - I was just checking to see if I could make the buildbot > go green. It feels like a waste to have a buildbot if red builds are > ignored for longer periods of time. > I guess XEmacs 21.5 won't be released this decade either... O:-) Ah, that is the point. I forgot there's no stable XEmacs 21.5. But please let me say, the fact is that some new Gnus features no longer work on XEmacs (even if the code is compiled with no error). Typical ones are the features that use url.el. As for XEmacs 21.4, I feel it like old GNU Emacsen that Gnus dropped the support long ago. I used to have fun to make Gnus of the bleeding edge work for XEmacs, but I gave it up someday.