From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61052 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus installation Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:08:31 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128086229 29844 80.91.229.2 (30 Sep 2005 13:17:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+m9584@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Sep 30 15:16:59 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ELKhN-00035h-H2 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:13:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1ELKh3-0001Hi-00; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:53 -0500 Original-Received: from nas01.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.39]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1ELKd9-0001Ha-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:08:51 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas01.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ELKd5-00017f-Vl for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:08:51 -0500 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net ([66.225.201.13]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ELKd0-0000CN-00 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:08:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56382) by washington.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ELKcx-0005Cw-3Q for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:08:39 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:BI/3ZElvTA7bCRWY5L4+DYvqV28= X-Hashcash: 1:20:050930:ding@gnus.org::QwexJhCguz40hlfe:00003rbp X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:61052 Archived-At: >>>>> In Simon Josefsson wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> When installing Gnus, specifying no options, a lot of Lisp files >> will be scattered underneath the site-lisp directory. I considered >> over ten years that it's not a good idea. > FWIW, I like this. Emacs do search for files beneath site-lisp by > default, right? Yes, indeed. Especially in the Emacs 18 era, people might not have preferred to use subdirectories since they had to be added to load-path manually, though we have now subdirs.el which adds subdirectories to load-path automatically. The reason I don't like it is because I have many files underneath the site-lisp directory. So, I always use `--with-lispdir=site-lisp/gnus'. There's also another usefulness in this; I only do `rm -fr gnus' when I need to remove old Gnus files, for example. Furthermore, the Emacs version of Gnus is installed in the gnus subdirectory. >> In addition to this, >> there's another problem that ``./configure; make install'' will >> never install .el files. WDYT? It won't be a matter, if people always use ``make; make install''. However, those who fully trust Gnus might do that, and they will not be able to get meaningful backtrace when they are betrayed. Anyway, I'm not troubled with them at all, though.