From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67472 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Problem with gnus-article-hide-citation Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:28:03 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87y71eeav9.fsf@pcdesk.net> <87r675r1m3.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222644592 10193 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2008 23:29:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tyler Spivey To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15923@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Sep 29 01:30:49 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kk5iv-0007sS-JU for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:30:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kk5h1-0007ip-Ur; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kk5h0-0007ic-KS for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:46 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kk5gx-00038P-8r for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:46 -0500 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Kk5h1-0001Th-00 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:28:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41994) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kk5gN-0005NU-3g; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:07 -0500 X-Hashcash: 1:20:080928:ding@gnus.org::F8ZF+MPVCdx3iQMx:00001yuR X-Hashcash: 1:20:080928:tspivey@pcdesk.net::47HyZ98CHD18Rlgd:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000UMA X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:g8iafxzhAYAuQ/XXWROGqoHxmiQ= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67472 Archived-At: >>>>> David Engster wrote: > [Followup from gnus.bug] > Tyler Spivey writes: >> I'll try to describe this bug as best I can, so hopefully it can get >> fixed. When I press WWc on a message, then start cursoring around the >> article buffer, the > characters are still in it. They aren't visible >> on the screen, but I am blind and use an emacs speech package which >> picks them up. To reproduce this, press WWc on a message, then put >> point on the first character of any remaining text that wasn't hidden >> (below the buttons). press C-a C-b, the cursor should be on a blank >> line, but note that if you press C-x = the current character is a >. >> Also, if you hit C-a on that line, it'll jump you to the next line. > I can confirm this behavior. I'm not sure why this is happening and if > this is actually a bug in Gnus or in Emacs. I always thought that the > user commands for cursor navigation would skip over hidden text, but in > the first column in the line after the button, the point position is > indeed on the beginning of the hidden citation, usually containing a ">". > I tried putting the hidden text directly after the button (i.e. in the > same line). It is still accessible, but it would be at a line ending and > not at the beginning of the next line, which I guess would at least > solve the above problem? > Other suggestions? I doubted the behavior of C-a (i.e. move-beginning-of-line) is really useful. It moves the point to the next visible field, but shouldn't it be the end of the previous visible field (or the beginning of the buffer)? Anyway, how about trying the following for a while? It is just what Emacs 21 does: (global-set-key "\C-a" 'beginning-of-line) BTW, doesn't Emacspeak provide an option that controls whether to speak invisible text? I think invisible text should not be seen by default both to eyes and to ears. Regards,