Re: Inactive groups got unshown by `l'

[Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>> I use the group level 1, 2 and 3 for the mail groups, the interesting
>> nntp groups, and the other nntp groups respectively.  Furthermore,
>> I use the level 4 for some foreign groups that take time to open.
>> I usually start Gnus as `C-u 2 M-x gnus', i.e., I usually read only
>> the mail groups and some news groups.  But when I want to read one
>> of the level 4 groups, I used to type `l' in the group buffer and
>> find it.  Now it doesn't work although the level is less than
>> `gnus-group-default-list-level'.  The server for those groups is not
>> shown in the server buffer.  I can use `L' instead of `l', or
>> the following advice.  But it's a bit inconvenient for me. :<

I got to think I may want to change the lifestyle in Gnus after
all. ;-)

> Yes.  I've now changed the `g' function to use the explicit level for
> foreign groups, too,

By the change, Gnus got to show many native groups having no unread
article even though `gnus-permanently-visible-groups' doesn't match
those groups.  I think it should be fixed (or reverted?).  OTOH, `l'
still doesn't show inactive foreign groups (i.e., groups of which
the server have never been opened).

> so that `4 g' should work as advertised.

As for me that takes a long time because it updates all the level 4
groups and also the level 1, 2, 3 groups (= mostly all the groups).
Instead... the old behavior for years was that `l' shows inactive
groups with `*' (not a number) as the number of articles.  And I
was able to update only some groups one by one using `M-g'
(gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group).

> However, I'm not quite sure that I'm totally seeing what you're seeing.
> The `l' command hasn't been changed at all, lately, I think, so there
> must be some kind of subtle interaction between `l' and `g' that I'm not
> quite handling right now...

I haven't yet investigated what changed the behavior.  But which
do you think reasonable?

1. `l' shows only active groups of which the levels are less than
 or equal to `gnus-group-default-list-level'.

2. `l' shows active and inactive groups of which the levels are
 less than or equal to `gnus-group-default-list-level'.

If the former is adopted, only `L' is the means to recall what
inactive groups a user subscribes to are.  A user cannot browse
inactive servers (i.e., servers that have never been opened) to
know what groups are there because they are not listed in the
server buffer.

I can live with `L', though. ;-)