From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66755 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Release of Gnus 5.10.10 / No Gnus 0.8 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:53:26 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207781668 1109 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2008 22:54:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:54:28 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15238@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 10 00:55:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjjC0-0001CM-81 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:55:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JjjBL-0002A5-O0; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:54:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JjjBK-00029p-7r for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:54:18 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjjBD-0003UC-Ub for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:54:18 -0500 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1JjjBN-0004Mj-00 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:54:22 +0200 Original-Received: from [66.225.201.151] (port=41320 helo=mail.jpl.org) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JjjAe-00012E-02 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:53:36 -0500 X-Hashcash: 1:20:080409:ding@gnus.org::IdNQ0tfUxQPCv34u:00000Mlk X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7+/mlGVQLgQSoptYiQteVnQiWJA= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:66755 Archived-At: >>>>> Reiner Steib wrote: > On Wed, Apr 09 2008, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> Both Gnus 5.10.10 and No Gnus 0.8 don't work with the most recent >> Emacs trunk. > It doesn't make any sense to run the _released_ No Gnus 0.8 with Emacs > trunk. Somebody who is willing to use (i.e. *test*) bleeding edge > code of Emacs has to be prepared live with such breakage, go back to > an older checkout or update again as soon as the bugs have been fixed. > For the combination Emacs trunk plus Gnus 5.10.10, the only reasonable > use-case would be that Gnus 5.13 is much more unstable that the rest > of Emacs trunk. I don't think this is true. > Or does someone see other reasonable scenarios? > In short: If you use Emacs trunk, you should use either the bundled > Gnus 5.13 or Gnus trunk (when newer). OK. It might have been imaginary fears. I felt anxious about those who have faith in "[DSRQPON].+ Gnus" rather than Gnus and give a priority to it in `load-path'. Actually the problems concerning the functionp change happened to such users. But just now they might have to learn the prefixed Gnusae is not necessarily newer than the one in Emacs. >> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/94760 > ,----[ ] >| 1. Merge Stefan's changes: [...] > I hesitate to merge in these before the release as they might > introduce other problems. Agreed. Anyway, thank you very much for your release jobs. Regards,