From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64539 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mixing whitespace and topical changes Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:21:00 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176805352 863 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2007 10:22:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:22:32 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13050@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Apr 17 12:22:26 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HdkpM-0005YQ-CQ for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:22:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hdkol-00033r-62; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:21:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hdkoj-00033W-KK for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hdkod-0001ir-4T for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Hdkoc-000738-00 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:21:38 +0200 Original-Received: from [66.225.201.151] (port=37150 helo=mail.jpl.org) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hdko7-0007pA-Uv for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:21:08 -0500 X-Hashcash: 1:20:070417:ding@gnus.org::OSSaU9Iz8amS8eY/:00002KlX X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.98 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jTvrIinogYzjyBEv14M9HzrPWXM= X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64539 Archived-At: >>>>> In Didier Verna wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>> Who's Lars ? ;-) >> >> I honor him as the founder of Gnus. > You're aware I was joking right ? :-) Yes, I didn't believe you don't know him. ;-) >> Good point. How do we urge all to do so ? > How many of us are there ? Is this such a big deal ? > (require 'whitespace) > (add-hook 'write-file-hooks #'(lambda () (whitespace-cleanup) nil)) Is it effective even if a person has set `indent-tabs-mode' to nil? I know there is at least one person who does it in the developers. In addition, doesn't `whitespace-auto-cleanup' have to be set to t? Moreover, we will probably need to confirm there is no difference between the Emacs version of whitespace.el and the XEmacs version of whitespace.el. Oh, we should pull `texinfo-mode' out from `whitespace-modes', or use some way to make texi files not have tabs. I can accept them if those tools mostly work fine and maintainers and developers, including Lars, agree. Though, we might not be able to include people who usually don't subscribe to this list. (All the Emacs developers can modify Emacs' Gnus, of which changes are merged into No Gnus.) >> It doesn't seem to be easy to me to achieve it, similar to persuading >> you not to use whitespace.el. > I might eventually give up, for instance when I start realizing > that this conversation takes me more time than to actually change my > setup :-) But you admit yourself that file cleanup is a good thing... >> Otherwise, can it be realized using ``Local Variables''? > Sure, everything's possible with eval: ... I think it is the best way, since what have to do is only to say "Please accept Local Variables anyway.". BTW, does XEmacs work with all cases? AFAIK, the coding cookie in the Local Variables section is ignored if a file is larger than 3000 bytes (see code-files.el in XEmacs 21.4 or files.el in XEmacs 21.5). Regards,