From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64535 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mixing whitespace and topical changes Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:05:17 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176797193 19636 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2007 08:06:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:06:33 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13046@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Apr 17 10:06:27 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hdihn-0000ly-JD for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:06:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdihS-0001zf-IN; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdihP-0001zB-Dq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdihI-0000mG-Vi for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1HdihH-00056y-00 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:05:56 +0200 Original-Received: from [66.225.201.151] (port=36880 helo=mail.jpl.org) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hdign-0000WH-AK for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:05:25 -0500 X-Hashcash: 1:20:070417:ding@gnus.org::DSahYLKrAjedsoms:00004VmW X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.98 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qz4e+/rOCXJG8+EM39ex1lTcAvs= X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64535 Archived-At: >>>>> In Didier Verna wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> I did the same before, but now I keep clean only things that I >> changed. It is enough for me that Lars ever said to me "Don't use >> whitespace.el or equivalent when changing Gnus.". IIRC, he said he >> agrees to make source code clean all together but it should be done >> independently to topical changes. > Who's Lars ? ;-) I honor him as the founder of Gnus. >> So, I don't mix whitespace changes and topical changes as much as >> possible. Or else, not only the maintainers who check the validity of >> changes but also people who read CVS diffs will be bothered if there >> are such changes. > But my point is that 1/ if all CVS committers keep files clean > automatically, the situation would not happen, and 2/ even if it does, > you don't have to see the whitespaces difference; there are options in > diff and such to just ignore them. Good point. How do we urge all to do so? For instance, all should set `indent-tabs-mode' to t, all should add a whitespace function to hooks, etc. It doesn't seem to be easy to me to achieve it, similar to persuading you not to use whitespace.el. Otherwise, can it be realized using ``Local Variables''? >> Making source code clean is generally good. But I think it should be >> done line by line manually at least in Gnus. What do you think about >> this? >> >> (insert "One space character is here> >> ") >> >> It is a bad habit of course, though. > You're gonna have to give me a more convincing example :-) >> Let me write repeatedly; please don't use tabs in texi files. >> Especially for sections in which the indentation is meaningful, like >> @lisp ... @end lisp. > Again, please show me *precisely* a problematic example. I've posted it. See this article: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64465 Regards,