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X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117855 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69227 Archived-At: >>>>> Reiner Steib wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24 2009, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> They may not be serious, but as for `message-yank-prefix', it may >> not be easy to users to find the way to make Gnus work as before >> (the new behavior is that cited lines are prefixed only with three >> space characters). > This is not acceptable IMHO. We need to find a solution for this. > I don't have a good idea, though. How about using the value of mail-* if and only if the value of mail-* is customized by a user or its default value is suitable to Gnus? (defcustom MESSAGE-VAR (if (or ;; MAIL-VAR's value is set by a user in the ~/.emacs file but ;; the .el file containing the form `(defcustom MAIL-VAR ...)' ;; is not loaded yet. (and (boundp MAIL-VAR) (not (get MAIL-VAR 'standard-value))) ;; MAIL-VAR's value is customized by a user. (and (get MAIL-VAR 'standard-value) (not (equal (car (get MAIL-VAR 'standard-value)) (symbol-value MAIL-VAR)))) ;; MAIL-VAR's default value is suitable to Gnus' default. (and (boundp MAIL-VAR) (equal (symbol-value MAIL-VAR) VALUE-SUITABLE-TO-GNUS))) ;; Use MAIL-VAR's value. (symbol-value MAIL-VAR) ;; Use a value suitable to Gnus' default. VALUE-SUITABLE-TO-GNUS) "doc string") For `message-yank-prefix', it will be the following: (defcustom message-yank-prefix (if (or (and (boundp 'mail-yank-prefix) (not (get 'mail-yank-prefix 'standard-value))) (and (get 'mail-yank-prefix 'standard-value) (not (equal (car (get 'mail-yank-prefix 'standard-value)) mail-yank-prefix))) (and (boundp 'mail-yank-prefix) (equal mail-yank-prefix "> "))) mail-yank-prefix "> ") "doc string") In Emacs 22, it will default to "> ", while mail-yank-prefix's default is nil. The above one differs from this: (defcustom message-yank-prefix "> " "doc string") User's preference to mail-* is reflected to message-*. Regards,