* Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and œ)
[not found] ` <87wsfu5iwr.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
@ 2008-10-27 21:44 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-27 23:57 ` Non-encoded character in the subject Katsumi Yamaoka
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-27 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel, Miles Bader
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>>>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Hmm, why did gnus (message-mode) only encode the first non-ascii
> > character in the Subject: header? Odd... Lemme try again...
The `œ' isn't encode, but sent as a raw iso-2022-7bit character
(character U+001B replaced with <ESC>):
| Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and <ESC>$(D)M<ESC>(B
I cannot reproduce this, neither with Emacs 22.1 nor with current
Emacs trunk (2008-10-25):
ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-8859-1 iso-2022-jp-2 utf-8)))
(rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe"))
"french =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?= oe"
ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-2022-jp-2 utf-8)))
(rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe"))
"french =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRCsuGyhC?= and =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?=\n oe"
ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities nil))
(rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe"))
"french =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A7?= and =?utf-8?Q?=C5=93?= oe"
> My mistake, I presume,
No, your message was encoded correctly, AFAICS:
| Subject: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and =?iso-8859-15?q?=BD?=
> but I will ask in the gnus list, I send this mail using xemacs 21.4
> and maybe the Mule support is flawed in gnus. (Or better said in
> xemacs 21.4)
>
> I should have used GNU 21/22 or Xemacs 21.5.
>
> Alas so many emacs(en) around.
Bye, Reiner.
--
,,,
(o o)
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/
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* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject
2008-10-27 21:44 ` Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and œ) Reiner Steib
@ 2008-10-27 23:57 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-27 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel, Miles Bader
>>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>>>>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hmm, why did gnus (message-mode) only encode the first non-ascii
>>> character in the Subject: header? Odd... Lemme try again...
> The `œ' isn't encode, but sent as a raw iso-2022-7bit character
> (character U+001B replaced with <ESC>):
>| Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and <ESC>$(D)M<ESC>(B
> I cannot reproduce this, neither with Emacs 22.1 nor with current
> Emacs trunk (2008-10-25):
If the subject is encoded correctly when performing
C-u C-c C-m P
in the message buffer, the culprit is not Gnus in all likelihood.
It might be MTA's doing. Though it doesn't come under the case,
Reiner's message I received from the MS Exchange POP server is
broken as follows:
Subject:
=?Windows-1252?Q?Non-encoded_character_in_the_subject_(was:_Emacs_21/22:_?=
=?Windows-1252?Q?_french_=E7_and_=C5=93)?=
i.e.,
Subject:
Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and Å“)
But no problem in the same message having reached Gmane.
Regards,
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* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject
2008-10-27 23:57 ` Non-encoded character in the subject Katsumi Yamaoka
@ 2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-28 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding, emacs-devel; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, Miles Bader
On Tue, Oct 28 2008, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:
> If the subject is encoded correctly when performing
> C-u C-c C-m P
> in the message buffer, the culprit is not Gnus in all likelihood.
> It might be MTA's doing. Though it doesn't come under the case,
> Reiner's message I received from the MS Exchange POP server is
> broken as follows:
>
> Subject:
> =?Windows-1252?Q?Non-encoded_character_in_the_subject_(was:_Emacs_21/22:_?=
> =?Windows-1252?Q?_french_=E7_and_=C5=93)?=
> i.e.,
> Subject:
> Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and Å“)
>
> But no problem in the same message having reached Gmane.
Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME
encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the
Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body).
In fact, the article on Gmane has:
,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/105053/raw ]
| Subject: Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french
| =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and =?utf-8?b?xZMp?=
`----
My gcc-ed copy has:
,----[ Gcc ]
| Subject: Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french
| =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and =?utf-8?Q?=C5=93=29?=
`----
Note the difference: binary vs. QP for the second encoded word.
Bye, Reiner.
--
,,,
(o o)
---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/
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* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject
2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2008-10-29 1:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader
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From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-28 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, Miles Bader, emacs-devel
>>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME
> encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the
> Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body).
The MS Exchange server changes not only mail headers but also
the MIME structure in a message body. For instance, all inline
parts in a message body are turned into attachments. Body
encoded with utf-8 and quoted-printable are turned into base64,
etc. That's really boneheaded. Sigh.
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* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject
2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
@ 2008-10-29 1:04 ` Miles Bader
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2008-10-29 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, ding, emacs-devel
Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:
> The MS Exchange server changes not only mail headers but also
> the MIME structure in a message body. For instance, all inline
> parts in a message body are turned into attachments. Body
> encoded with utf-8 and quoted-printable are turned into base64,
> etc. That's really boneheaded. Sigh.
Or as my friend-who-works-at-microsoft says, "that's so MS."
-Miles
--
Opposition, n. In politics the party that prevents the Goverment from running
amok by hamstringing it.
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* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject
2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib
2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
@ 2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Miles Bader @ 2008-10-31 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel
Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME
> encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the
> Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body).
My "original" (written by FCC: into a local file here) message has this:
Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and
=?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?=
but the copy of that same message I get via NNTP from Gmane has this:
Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and ^[$(D)M^[(B
where I've replaced literal ESC characters with the two-character
sequence ^[ in this reply.
-Miles
--
Road, n. A strip of land along which one may pass from where it is too
tiresome to be to where it is futile to go.
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