* Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and œ) [not found] ` <87wsfu5iwr.fsf@mat.ucm.es> @ 2008-10-27 21:44 ` Reiner Steib 2008-10-27 23:57 ` Non-encoded character in the subject Katsumi Yamaoka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-27 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel, Miles Bader On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes: > > > Hmm, why did gnus (message-mode) only encode the first non-ascii > > character in the Subject: header? Odd... Lemme try again... The `œ' isn't encode, but sent as a raw iso-2022-7bit character (character U+001B replaced with <ESC>): | Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and <ESC>$(D)M<ESC>(B I cannot reproduce this, neither with Emacs 22.1 nor with current Emacs trunk (2008-10-25): ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-8859-1 iso-2022-jp-2 utf-8))) (rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe")) "french =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?= oe" ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-2022-jp-2 utf-8))) (rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe")) "french =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRCsuGyhC?= and =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?=\n oe" ELISP> (let ((mm-coding-system-priorities nil)) (rfc2047-encode-string "french ç and œ oe")) "french =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A7?= and =?utf-8?Q?=C5=93?= oe" > My mistake, I presume, No, your message was encoded correctly, AFAICS: | Subject: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and =?iso-8859-15?q?=BD?= > but I will ask in the gnus list, I send this mail using xemacs 21.4 > and maybe the Mule support is flawed in gnus. (Or better said in > xemacs 21.4) > > I should have used GNU 21/22 or Xemacs 21.5. > > Alas so many emacs(en) around. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject 2008-10-27 21:44 ` Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and œ) Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-27 23:57 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-27 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel, Miles Bader >>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes: >> >>> Hmm, why did gnus (message-mode) only encode the first non-ascii >>> character in the Subject: header? Odd... Lemme try again... > The `œ' isn't encode, but sent as a raw iso-2022-7bit character > (character U+001B replaced with <ESC>): >| Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and <ESC>$(D)M<ESC>(B > I cannot reproduce this, neither with Emacs 22.1 nor with current > Emacs trunk (2008-10-25): If the subject is encoded correctly when performing C-u C-c C-m P in the message buffer, the culprit is not Gnus in all likelihood. It might be MTA's doing. Though it doesn't come under the case, Reiner's message I received from the MS Exchange POP server is broken as follows: Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Non-encoded_character_in_the_subject_(was:_Emacs_21/22:_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?_french_=E7_and_=C5=93)?= i.e., Subject: Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and Å“) But no problem in the same message having reached Gmane. Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject 2008-10-27 23:57 ` Non-encoded character in the subject Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib 2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-28 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding, emacs-devel; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, Miles Bader On Tue, Oct 28 2008, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > If the subject is encoded correctly when performing > C-u C-c C-m P > in the message buffer, the culprit is not Gnus in all likelihood. > It might be MTA's doing. Though it doesn't come under the case, > Reiner's message I received from the MS Exchange POP server is > broken as follows: > > Subject: > =?Windows-1252?Q?Non-encoded_character_in_the_subject_(was:_Emacs_21/22:_?= > =?Windows-1252?Q?_french_=E7_and_=C5=93)?= > i.e., > Subject: > Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french ç and Å“) > > But no problem in the same message having reached Gmane. Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body). In fact, the article on Gmane has: ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/105053/raw ] | Subject: Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french | =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and =?utf-8?b?xZMp?= `---- My gcc-ed copy has: ,----[ Gcc ] | Subject: Non-encoded character in the subject (was: Emacs 21/22: french | =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and =?utf-8?Q?=C5=93=29?= `---- Note the difference: binary vs. QP for the second encoded word. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject 2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib @ 2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2008-10-29 1:04 ` Miles Bader 2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-28 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, Miles Bader, emacs-devel >>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote: > Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME > encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the > Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body). The MS Exchange server changes not only mail headers but also the MIME structure in a message body. For instance, all inline parts in a message body are turned into attachments. Body encoded with utf-8 and quoted-printable are turned into base64, etc. That's really boneheaded. Sigh. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject 2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-29 1:04 ` Miles Bader 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2008-10-29 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, ding, emacs-devel Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes: > The MS Exchange server changes not only mail headers but also > the MIME structure in a message body. For instance, all inline > parts in a message body are turned into attachments. Body > encoded with utf-8 and quoted-printable are turned into base64, > etc. That's really boneheaded. Sigh. Or as my friend-who-works-at-microsoft says, "that's so MS." -Miles -- Opposition, n. In politics the party that prevents the Goverment from running amok by hamstringing it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Non-encoded character in the subject 2008-10-28 22:03 ` Reiner Steib 2008-10-28 23:49 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2008-10-31 4:51 ` Miles Bader 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2008-10-31 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Uwe Brauer, emacs-devel Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: > Uh, this is the first time I hear that MTAs are changing the MIME > encoding of mail headers (I know about MTAs converting the > Content-Transfer-Encoding, e.g. qp <-> 8bit, of the body). My "original" (written by FCC: into a local file here) message has this: Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7?= and =?iso-2022-jp-2?B?GyQoRClNGyhC?= but the copy of that same message I get via NNTP from Gmane has this: Subject: Re: Emacs 21/22: french =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= and ^[$(D)M^[(B where I've replaced literal ESC characters with the two-character sequence ^[ in this reply. -Miles -- Road, n. A strip of land along which one may pass from where it is too tiresome to be to where it is futile to go. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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