From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67585 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus should accept UTF8 even if UTF-8 is standard Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:15:47 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87iqruvs19.fsf@jidanni.org> <86od1mj3z2.fsf@lifelogs.com> <86od1lg3xq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d4i1iqpq.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86k5c9fzm9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wsph5xr.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86d4i1ft75.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224116191 5886 80.91.229.12 (16 Oct 2008 00:16:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 16 02:17:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KqGYQ-0003G6-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:17:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqGXK-0007DF-Kx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqGXG-0007DA-H9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqGXE-0007Cy-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47484 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqGXD-0007Cv-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]:34777) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KqGXD-0008Up-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37912) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KqGWx-00083z-05; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:15:55 -0500 X-Hashcash: 1:20:081016:ding@gnus.org::9sunavZ2qcJoztYk:00005POL X-Hashcash: 1:20:081016:emacs-devel@gnu.org::40rNV8oQWwPgDVfR:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001Eop X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:i0cVeuE2VXMXtMc7RN0vNTxFkEI= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104538 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67585 Archived-At: >>>>> Reiner Steib wrote: > I seem to recall that (define-coding-system-alias 'utf8 'utf-8) might > trigger Gnus into sending articles with "Content-type: text/plain; > charset=utf8" which would be plain wrong [1][2]. But I'm not sure. I installed the latest Emacs trunk and did some tests with a message written in Japanese. 1. (setq mm-coding-system-priorities '(utf8)) is ok. Messages to be sent don't seem to be labeled with charset=utf8 . (setq mm-coding-system-priorities nil) is ok, too. 2. Type `C-c C-m p text/plain RET' in the message buffer and add charset=utf8 manually as follows: < #part type="text/plain" disposition=inline charset=utf8> In this case the message will be sent with charset=utf8 . By this result I got to think the system-wide utf8 alias might be harmful. The utf8 alias is needed only for reading wrong configured messages, isn't it? If so, I think it is enough using `gnus-summary-show-article-charset-alist'. cf. (info "(gnus)Paging the Article") Note that adding (utf8 . utf-8) to `mm-charset-synonym-alist' causes the same problem (I verified it with Emacs 22.3). Regards,