From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61591 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: PATCH: Make nnrss include RSS dc:subject Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:45:35 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87psnw9xf4.fsf@stone.tss.usg.edu> <87y82fkbzq.fsf@stone.tss.usg.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135129730 31390 80.91.229.2 (21 Dec 2005 01:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+m10123@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 21 02:48:45 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eot5h-000130-D5 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:48:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1Eot5d-0002xT-00; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:48:25 -0600 Original-Received: from nas02.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.40]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1Eos73-0002wC-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:45:49 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas02.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eos6y-0006T0-4z for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:45:49 -0600 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net ([66.225.201.13]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Eos6x-00082x-00 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:45:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51913) by washington.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eos8H-0004yU-UJ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:47:06 -0600 Original-To: Mark Plaksin X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:uPbHUB5SvaVrQmnLPjzlGBDlL/c= X-Hashcash: 1:20:051221:happy@usg.edu::HE0RqeAjAEzg0eJY:00000698 X-Hashcash: 1:20:051221:ding@gnus.org::v36eZ5XLOCAZE/SP:00000gKW X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:61591 Archived-At: >>>>> In <87y82fkbzq.fsf@stone.tss.usg.edu> Mark Plaksin wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >>> ;; I don't usually use nnrss. > You say this a lot. Do you read a lot of feeds? Do you read all of them > with nnshimbun? Yes. Since I am one of the maintainers and need to check that they all are going well, I am subscribing to a lot of shimbun groups. I actually read only a few groups among them, though. > I read all of my feeds in Gnus and nnrss generally does a good enough job > for me (I'm pretty easy to please :) I also admit the usefulness of nnrss, especially if articles contain some text, not only links. I have ever a bit considered about an easy-to-use way to fetch full contents of links into the article buffer. It might be possible to achieve it, however the article buffer will necessarily be filled with a large amount of advertisement. > Sometimes nnshimbun is better > though--like for the emacswiki.org feed. When I want to make small > changes, like the nnrss change we're discussing, I'm not sure whether it's > better to make the change in nnrss or nnshimbun. Nnrss is sometimes good and nnshimbun is sometimes good. Nnrss is useful when I glance subjects in the summary buffer and pick one, moreover nnrss need not follow to changes in news sites since it works depending on only the xml standard. The advantage of nnshimbun is to remove advertisement. However, the module to deal with it with each news site is needed (e.g., sb-bbc.el for BBC), and we need to make major changes in those modules periodically.