From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63863 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: `.newsrc.eld' saves chinese group name in wrong coding Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:28:44 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87mz7tm2wn.fsf@furball.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161559810 19819 80.91.229.2 (22 Oct 2006 23:30:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, id.brep@gmail.com, ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 01:30:07 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmlU-00051g-6b for gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:30:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmlT-0003oi-KD for gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmlN-0003mt-TS for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmlM-0003lQ-AH for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmlM-0003lN-7X for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [66.225.201.13] (helo=washington.hostforweb.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbmlK-0004pu-Ns; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [205.234.185.198] (port=54675 helo=mail.jpl.org) by washington.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbml8-0000jO-5i; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:29:38 -0500 Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Hashcash: 1:20:061022:rms@gnu.org::+tkr5rhJDnvsBOLv:0000001rOu X-Hashcash: 1:20:061022:eliz@gnu.org::rKxnrWgATVzi1mJe:000001Hmg X-Hashcash: 1:20:061022:emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org::EpItev+S+v6nDpsd:0000000000000000000000000000000000002CBs X-Hashcash: 1:20:061022:id.brep@gmail.com::arEEhFHeb0TkJ7Iw:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002UYO X-Hashcash: 1:20:061022:ding@gnus.org::gCuVkykmq4COXzQH:00000Par X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kPw585g96dZzBHtvtbDVEJ9nuYY= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for CVS Emacs." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:14736 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63863 Archived-At: >>>>> In Richard Stallman wrote: >> I'd say this design decision will certainly cause subtle bugs, such as >> the one we are discussing in this thread. I suggest to modify the >> design to not use encoded strings internally. > I hastened to change the nndoc code so as to use encoded group > names but I agree with you. Though to implement it will take > efforts and a long time, I think it is a subject to have to be > solved in the future anyway. > I don't entirely understand that statement. > Are you about to fix this now, or do you think it should be > delayed? I've already fixed the nndoc code in both the Gnus CVS trunk and the v5-10 branch (it will be merged into the Emacs CVS soon). Although I haven't yet changed the handling of non-ASCII group names (that is, Gnus still represents them in the utf-8 encoded style internally), it won't trouble users. I agree with making Gnus encode non-ASCII group names only when communicating with nntp servers, and I (or someone?) will try it in the future. I think it should be done in the Gnus trunk first, and it will take time for coding, testing, and possibly bug fixing. So, importing it into Emacs will probably be inevitably delayed. At the present time, I don't know whether it is days, weeks or years. Regards,