From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57799 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus vs Wanderlust Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:41:14 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87zn7mvrcl.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086133370 28089 80.91.224.253 (1 Jun 2004 23:42:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6340@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jun 02 01:42:36 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVItw-0003qj-00 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:42:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVIt2-0004j7-00; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:41:40 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVIsu-0004iz-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:41:32 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVIsr-0000By-PO for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:41:29 -0500 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net (washington.hostforweb.net [69.61.11.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C913A0036 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from yamaoka by washington.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BVIsl-00015p-CX for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:41:23 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fiBMu61hEITEJGOK4QOh8dA2AY4= X-Hashcash: 0:040601:ding@gnus.org:0f1f929702a8f144 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32041 32041] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - washington.hostforweb.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57799 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57799 >>>>> In <87zn7mvrcl.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> >>>>> Miles Bader wrote: > I've always thought this was a very silly argument. I also find that I > have slightly different preferences for mail and news, but the amount of > _shared_ behavior is _huge_. It seems bizarre to say "Oh just implement > a completely new system!" instead of just fixing the problems with Gnus. > Not only is the amount of duplicated work enormous, but it's a burden > for the _user_ to have to learn and configure two separate systems, > especially once they start to explore more advanced features. That's right. Using softwares other than Gnus is a burden to me. However, their work of art sometimes gives me a strong inspiration. Conversely, they also study Gnus eagerly and have taken the good features to Wanderlust. I'm maintaining VM and Wanderlust so that they can always be used in my system. :) -- Katsumi Yamaoka ;; VM stands for View Mail but WL doesn't stand for vieW maiL.