From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/59105 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: asterisks disappear Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:23:29 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87sm7ojvra.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <874qk2dix8.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87vfchcmrj.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <4nis8gfvr7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zn1sldkv.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87oei8kl0m.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87oei5u9u1.fsf@orebokech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1100180973 23214 80.91.229.6 (11 Nov 2004 13:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M7638@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Nov 11 00:26:34 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CS1rF-0002Oo-00 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:26:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CS1oW-0007F5-00; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:44 -0600 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CS1oR-0007F0-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:39 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CS1oN-0004PT-E4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:35 -0600 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net (washington.hostforweb.net [69.61.11.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E1E3A01EF for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:34 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by washington.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CS1oP-0003ck-Cw for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:23:37 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:y3Hq+DbNz9pBGnmxGc3nz2LnHTg= X-Hashcash: 1:17:041110:ding@gnus.org::bf3IDnW84MI+SfBR:00000MnV X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59105 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59105 >>>>> In <87oei5u9u1.fsf@orebokech.com> Romain Francoise wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> I'm going to modify the default behavior of emphasis >> bold during this week. In addition to this, I'd like to improve >> the customization type for the `gnus-emphasis-alist' variable so >> that it may be easier to understand. > I see you committed your changes a few hours ago to both HEAD and the > v5-10 branch. I agree that you have a point about new users being > confused by this, but I don't think it is appropriate to change the > default behavior of a stable release in this fashion... Yes, I broke intentionally the rule for the v5-10 branch which forbids changes other than bugfixes. If they don't produce actual harm even if functions are inferior to No Gnus, I won't improve them. However, the conventional behavior which strips asterisks from buffer names has continued preventing from exchanging of messages with Gnus users who don't have full knowledge of them. New Gnus which new Emacs contains is very attractive, and it will fascinate many new users. I thought that the change is required because of them. It is not for the sophisticated users, of course including you. > FWIW, I like the way bold emphasis works in previous Gnus versions, and > I'd customize it back if the new way becomes the new default. I will probably also do the same. For that purpose, I made it easy to change the default without altering the Lisp form of the gnus-emphasis-alist variable.