From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/54959 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Using CL in Gnus Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:23:39 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87oev1uyzw.fsf@zip.com.au> <87k75oktn7.fsf@zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069849492 24586 80.91.224.253 (26 Nov 2003 12:24:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3499@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Nov 26 13:24:48 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOyiu-0005s7-00 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:24:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AOyii-0001pq-00; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:24:36 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AOyiZ-0001pi-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:24:27 -0600 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net (washington.hostforweb.net [69.61.11.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEF93A005F for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:24:26 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from yamaoka by washington.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AOyiZ-0006J0-1C for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:24:27 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Reasonable Discussion, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pUKliWfS6zU8OGPWvST8aU+karA= X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031126:ding@gnus.org:21675e988e390e08 X-Hashcash: 0:031126:ding@gnus.org:21675e988e390e08 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32041 32041] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - washington.hostforweb.net Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54959 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54959 >>>>> In >>>>> Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> wrote: > IMHO, the point isn't how many users are affected by loading cl, but > that all GNU Emacs packages (thus Gnus) should not load it at run time > at all: That's quite right. However, Gnus 5.11 to be shipped is for Emacs 21.4, not for Emacs 20. And the latest compiled Gnus doesn't require cl in Emacs 21 as far as I know. > OTOH, Gnus 5.10.x (labeled Gnus 5.11) will be included in Emacs 21.y > where the relevant functions for `spam-stat.el' (gethash > hash-table-count make-hash-table mapc puthash) are built-in functions > already. So I'm not sure how relevant it is to avoid mapc and friends > in Gnus 5.10. Well, is it impossible that Gnus 5.11 will not support Emacs 20 as Emacs 19 was once forsaken by the September doctrine? It is a block to program freely, isn't it? Although dgnushack.el probably will not be contained in Emacs 21.4, there are odd items and old fashioned codes for Emacs 20 here there and elsewhere (which also means that it may be hard to remove them). -- Katsumi Yamaoka