From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/59069 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: asterisks disappear Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:14:35 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87sm7ojvra.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> <874qk2dix8.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87vfchcmrj.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1099869326 23553 80.91.229.6 (7 Nov 2004 23:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M7609@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Nov 08 00:15:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQwFc-0007Kd-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:15:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CQwFE-0006lg-00; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:14:49 -0600 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CQwFA-0006lb-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:14:44 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CQwF7-0006wN-G5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:14:41 -0600 Original-Received: from washington.hostforweb.net (washington.hostforweb.net [69.61.11.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D584C3A00BB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:14:40 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by washington.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CQwF9-00036h-G2 for ding@gnus.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:14:43 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`;Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu;B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8BFhjJN9yQZrR3GFJ8xo/D7+BIg= X-Hashcash: 1:17:041107:ding@gnus.org::LJxKqc28inRnFizd:00000Fws X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnus.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59069 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59069 >>>>> In <87vfchcmrj.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> Miles Bader wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> I raised the problem on which Gnus users may >> misunderstand buffer names, e.g., "*Messages*", "*scratch*", etc. > Yes, I fully understand this. Reading messages about Emacs with missing > asterisks is annoying -- but that represents only something like 1% of > the messages I read. I have many opportunities to write buffer names in gnu.emacs.gnus and so forth. In the latest example, the buffer name "*trace of SMTP session to XXX*" might not have been understood correctly by a recipient. > An easy-to-use per-group customization that would cause _only_ asterisks > to be retained might be a good thing (underlines are both more common, > and more adversely affected by the "retaining" behavior). You might > even try to have this default to "true" on common Emacs-related > newsgroups. It is not my problem. People who began to use Emacs and Gnus will not know it. In case I reply to their question, I might be unable to tell buffer names correctly. For instance, "Haven't any warning messages remained in the *Messages* buffer?". Therefore, I think it is better to display at least asterisks by default. I will probably make them invisible, though.