From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78088 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: agent/fetch only articles from certain levels Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:34:49 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87zkokei6u.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <3waagj1nen.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87lj03v23l.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301074632 17109 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2011 17:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26399@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Mar 25 18:37:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Awe-0001gv-B1 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:37:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Aw5-0003gV-Rz; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:36:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Aw4-0003gK-FL for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:36:32 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Aw3-0000Hv-0c for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:36:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Aw1-0007vo-QM for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:36:29 +0100 Original-Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so1888290fxm.17 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=rTJ8BmWR6rYVXpcCp2FlYW5TtzpTpLm2O1X+p2MHVHg=; b=Fslm1MqNgfuf811BmPy4liptBf1p6meWs0S0NMmCiFuGQrUK/8ujPhKKhovcgcItFn ZWDfvb6Bia27RSpM/4+arPr2B9Vl0rAd+C/c7bWF6Fm3tv3BXhaU6s6bv2DBtS+XRy0+ ylApsUTb11ZrfbVGshO56+H2V1FU3RLAAU+fE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=sh/ZqLRfA3gWDgqQlGDXg5k1OkhnDlVYhu+OhSLleLUXElET95v6cNHR3ijsvl44at mfFwEC7YgvEud07auYVWVMWF+C1ANPHw1nBrpCZkp+JcMB3K3Fy7dZn9Fp9ElAZDEYPa v/OHSsfCEGByOnq+iofbe0S5Z+++X+Qhan7OA= Original-Received: by 10.223.97.196 with SMTP id m4mr1152433fan.105.1301074455685; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (175.Red-217-126-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net [217.126.211.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm517745faa.15.2011.03.25.10.34.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Bqd-0001lK-QS for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:34:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Riley's message of "Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:23:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110015 (No Gnus v0.15) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78088 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >> That works yes! Wow. Thanks! But "foreign group"? Why are they foreign >> groups? They are groups attached to nntp servers defined in select >> methods. Ye gods its complicated ;) ... >> > > I spoke too soon. Yes this "activates" the groups. But it also means > they now, when plugged, fetch using the default "g" rather than when I > specifically WANT these less important groups using something C-u 5 > g. Theres some kind of functionality overlap between plugged, activated > and subscribed which seems to defeatt my use case. > > To reiterate > > I have some "higher level" levels for things like gaming nntp group for > example. Lets say level 5. Imap and some others are at level 3. > > I set gnus-activate-level to 3. > > When "plugged" hitting "g" will now only fetch for level and below (its > back to front IMO since more important groups have lower levels).This is > great. If I want the advocacy wars etc in pc.gaming or whatever I hit > C-u 5 g. Gnus then fetches this for me. But the important and correct > thing is that it doesnt fetch the less important stuff using default > "g". All fine. > > The problem however here is that when starting gnus *unplugged* these > level 5 groups do not "activate" ie show the articles counts etc, even > though its local. They *are* visible however since they are > subscribed. IMO they should activate when unplugged. > > If I set the gnus-activate-foreign-newsgroups to 3 to activate them in > unplugged by default then default "g" also fetches them. This is not > desired behaviour when really roaming. > > Yes, when unplugged I *can* C-u 5 g to activate them, if their levels > are 5, but this step should be unnecessary. > > I think this makes sense... > The above description of usage can be distilled to this suggestion:- All groups *belonging to agentised servers* should be active when unplugged regardless of their level. Not when plugged since otherwise "g" will fetch for them - and this we do not want. Does that make sense?