From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: yamaoka@jpl.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:50:58 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <buo7hymzcyl.fsf@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83d48e1oz6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:15:25 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> I don't think anybody was talking about ``real support for MIME''.
> People who managed to get away without MIME at all till this day
> probably don't need more than a simple way of attaching non-text
> files.
It's not what rms asked about, but it's certainly relevant to the
discussion. Even if rms and ams would be satisfied with mail-mode +
simple-attach, it's natural to step back and think about the wider
implications of doing that.
In particular, the objections to simply adopting message-mode are still
unclear to me (other than the obvious one, that rms continues to be
annoyed because it was merged [apparently] without asking him). Roughly
these objections seem to be something along the lines of "mail-mode is
simpler", but unless I've missed it, there's been little discussion of
exactly what the benefits of that are.
Some random points that come to mind:
(1) We must still maintain message-mode as well, so mail-mode's
"simplicity" yields no obvious code maintenance Benefit.
Indeed, it's obviously more of a _burden_ to maintain both modes
than it is to maintain message-mode alone (in the case that we got
rid of mail-mode). This burden goes up, of course, if mail-mode
starts getting more features, like the suggested attachments.
(2) I've used both modes over the years, and from my viewpoint as a
user, both modes seem pretty much the same form a UI standpoint --
message-mode has more bindings to support its additional
functionality, but they do not get in the way as far as I can see.
So as far as I can tell, mail-mode does not have an obviously
simpler UI for the average user.
So... what exactly _is_ the "simplicity advantage" that's been alluded to?
[The "duplicated code disadvantage", on the other hand is pretty obvious...]
Thanks,
-Miles
--
Sabbath, n. A weekly festival having its origin in the fact that God made the
world in six days and was arrested on the seventh.
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2009-07-05 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 3:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 3:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 3:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 3:50 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2009-07-06 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 0:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:37 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 5:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12 3:05 ` Leo
2009-07-12 3:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 9:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 8:01 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05 8:30 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
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2009-07-06 6:45 ` message-mode / mail-mode Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04 ` Stefan Monnier
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2009-07-18 19:15 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 5:30 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26 ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57 ` Kevin Ryde
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