Re: Quimby Upgrade

["Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net>]

* Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> "Robin S. Socha" <robin@socha.net> writes:

[...]
> What this mailing list needs is a good old-fashioned OS flame war, 

Indeed. Have you considered running quimby on W2k or OsX?

[OpenBSD]
> Then I did a "cvs up" in the ports directory, and hell broke
> loose.  There's lots of dependencies between ports and the rest of
> OpenBSD, so if you want to use new versions of, say, Emacs from ports,
> you have to upgrade your make, which requires that you upgrade your
> cc, which requires that you upgrade your libraries, which...

Yup. That's quite natural, though, because there is usually a good
reason (bugfix) why the new version exists.

> (Not to mention that much of the stuff in ports plain don't compile.
> And is crappy and older than Methusaleh.)

Indeed. Like, OpenBSD ships with BIND4. It should ship with BIND8, so it
gets affected by the latest idioci^Wfeatures introduced by the gang of
hippies^W^W^WBIND company.

> OpenBSD is even more crappy than Red Hat in that department, as
> difficult as that is to believe.  Once you start upgrading, there's no
> end.  And just like Red Hat, it's filled with non-explicit
> dependencies.

Ummmm... Could it be that you're running a rather old version of OpenBSD?
I haven't seen this since 2.6, and 2.8 is really nice. And comparing
OpenBSD to RedHat is really, really mean, too. Anyway, we are talking
about a server, aren't we? There shouldn't be much more than the base
system on it, so quite whining. Now. Damn version junkies... Hehehe...

> The Debian maintainers show great taste and restraint.  

Say, aren't you the guy who maintains this, like, news thingy? The one
the Debian D00d3s broke quite severely several times?

> I've never experienced any other system that needs so little work to
> maintain.  Ever.  It just... works.  That's impressive.

Different strokes. I could say the same for FreeBSD. It's pointless. OpenBSD
wins by merit of its logo. EoD. }:->

>> <http://socha.net/content/forum.php> [more bragging]

> Well -- since you're doing those kinds of things, I don't need to.
> :-)  Should probably be linked from gnus.org more prominently,
> though...

If anything (and if it were remotely good enough for that), it should be
news.gnus.org. If you want that, I'll set it up (not using phpNuke but
http://www.daCode.org/ (thanks Fabien). Thing is that some things on
gnus.org are a little counter-intuitive. First thing /I/'d would be to
introduce a search engine that
    - searches gnus.org
    - offers searches for the ML archive (ht/dig is nicer than wilma, just
      for the record...)
    - offers searches for the "other resources"
That way, finding stuff would be easier. I'd also set up a separate
"Win/NT" corner, because that stuff isn't easy to grok, either. And
screenshots... If you guys want to upload your screenshots, there is a
"upload yor screenshot" link on socha.net ;-)
-- 
Robin S. Socha  <http://socha.net/>
"The new glue is, unfortunately, ignored by recent versions of the BIND
cache; the detailed technical explanation for this is that the BIND
company is a bunch of idiots." (DJB)