From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/35646 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robin S. Socha" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Quimby Upgrade Date: 05 Apr 2001 07:54:14 +0200 Organization: Trial By Combat Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171357 4221 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:35:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 13273 invoked by alias); 5 Apr 2001 06:11:40 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 13268 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 06:11:40 -0000 Original-Received: from dialin-2-05.bl.trmd.net (HELO radioactive.socha.net) (qmailr@212.84.201.5) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 06:11:40 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 19990 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2001 05:54:14 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-URL: X-MSMail-Priority: X5O!P%@AP[4PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* X-Face: #Z}0zkbqU,m`+S)^0R[.23L-o>U{UQ|(DvIqu^Bjw:po_g9;4JnT9tbn;QX$ga/LYS In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "05 Apr 2001 03:06:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) XEmacs/21.2 (Urania) Original-Lines: 71 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35646 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35646 * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > "Robin S. Socha" writes: [...] > What this mailing list needs is a good old-fashioned OS flame war, Indeed. Have you considered running quimby on W2k or OsX? [OpenBSD] > Then I did a "cvs up" in the ports directory, and hell broke > loose. There's lots of dependencies between ports and the rest of > OpenBSD, so if you want to use new versions of, say, Emacs from ports, > you have to upgrade your make, which requires that you upgrade your > cc, which requires that you upgrade your libraries, which... Yup. That's quite natural, though, because there is usually a good reason (bugfix) why the new version exists. > (Not to mention that much of the stuff in ports plain don't compile. > And is crappy and older than Methusaleh.) Indeed. Like, OpenBSD ships with BIND4. It should ship with BIND8, so it gets affected by the latest idioci^Wfeatures introduced by the gang of hippies^W^W^WBIND company. > OpenBSD is even more crappy than Red Hat in that department, as > difficult as that is to believe. Once you start upgrading, there's no > end. And just like Red Hat, it's filled with non-explicit > dependencies. Ummmm... Could it be that you're running a rather old version of OpenBSD? I haven't seen this since 2.6, and 2.8 is really nice. And comparing OpenBSD to RedHat is really, really mean, too. Anyway, we are talking about a server, aren't we? There shouldn't be much more than the base system on it, so quite whining. Now. Damn version junkies... Hehehe... > The Debian maintainers show great taste and restraint. Say, aren't you the guy who maintains this, like, news thingy? The one the Debian D00d3s broke quite severely several times? > I've never experienced any other system that needs so little work to > maintain. Ever. It just... works. That's impressive. Different strokes. I could say the same for FreeBSD. It's pointless. OpenBSD wins by merit of its logo. EoD. }:-> >> [more bragging] > Well -- since you're doing those kinds of things, I don't need to. > :-) Should probably be linked from gnus.org more prominently, > though... If anything (and if it were remotely good enough for that), it should be news.gnus.org. If you want that, I'll set it up (not using phpNuke but http://www.daCode.org/ (thanks Fabien). Thing is that some things on gnus.org are a little counter-intuitive. First thing /I/'d would be to introduce a search engine that - searches gnus.org - offers searches for the ML archive (ht/dig is nicer than wilma, just for the record...) - offers searches for the "other resources" That way, finding stuff would be easier. I'd also set up a separate "Win/NT" corner, because that stuff isn't easy to grok, either. And screenshots... If you guys want to upload your screenshots, there is a "upload yor screenshot" link on socha.net ;-) -- Robin S. Socha "The new glue is, unfortunately, ignored by recent versions of the BIND cache; the detailed technical explanation for this is that the BIND company is a bunch of idiots." (DJB)