From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46060 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: NAGY Andras Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: server connection while offline and naming servers in the agent Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:10:43 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028826717 6443 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 17:11:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cqpH-0001ff-00 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:11:55 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17cqoc-00026E-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:11:14 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:11:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27179 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:24 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 14861 invoked by alias); 8 Aug 2002 17:10:51 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14856 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 17:10:51 -0000 Original-Received: from mx2.elte.hu (157.181.151.9) by gnus.org with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 17:10:51 -0000 Original-Received: from mamut.elte.hu (mamut.elte.hu [157.181.150.140]) by mx2.elte.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6FE48492 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nagya by mamut.elte.hu with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cqo7-0001Wc-00 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:10:43 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Lines: 43 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46060 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46060 My server buffer looks like: {nntp:quimby.gnus.org} (offline) (agent) {nndraft:} (opened) {nntp:news} (offline) (agent) {nnml:mail} (opened) Despite this, there is a connection to the server nicknamed `news' (really ludens.elte.hu). Proc Status Buffer Tty Command ---- ------ ------ --- ------- nntpd open *server ludens.elte.hu nntp *nntpd** (none) (network stream connection to ludens.elte.hu) Why? ---- Another issue: in the above server buffer, I've just added nntp:quimby.gnus.org to the agent. However, my News/agent/lib/servers looks like: ((nntp "quimby.gnus.org") "nntp:news") Note the inconsistency on the naming scheme: (xy "zz") vs "xy:zz". I've been told that the latter is better because it's some kind of `reference name', and naming all my select methods this way avoids duplicate connections, which arise because (xy "zz")-style select methods are treated differently. I've just noticed however, that my quimby newsgroups still have select methods like `(nntp "quimby.gnus.org")', because this is what gnus-group-make-group or gnus-group-browse-foreign-server created. I think that all this hassle with multiple ways for naming (not describing) a select method, duplicate server entries in the server buffer because of this, using the `not recommended' scheme by default in group creation functions just sucks. This should be clarified and fixed. Andras