From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62401 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus / message-send-mail-with-mailclient [patch] Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:29:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <059BF802-B4EB-433E-AF78-024107CD7E16@gmail.com> <553F677F-B2E1-42F3-8DBC-96734109EBA2@gmail.com> <0698DD0E-838C-4F43-B304-D44217205972@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143232259 10024 80.91.229.2 (24 Mar 2006 20:30:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 24 21:30:57 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvk-0001kP-Ml for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:30:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvk-0004Pr-HJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:30:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvS-0004Pc-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:30:26 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvQ-0004PQ-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:30:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvQ-0004PN-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:30:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FMswJ-0000QL-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:31:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FMsvD-0001eH-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:30:11 +0100 Original-Received: from 207.167.42.60 ([207.167.42.60]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:30:11 +0100 Original-Received: from ihs_4664 by 207.167.42.60 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:30:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.42.60 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041105) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <0698DD0E-838C-4F43-B304-D44217205972@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52037 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62401 Archived-At: David Reitter wrote: > On 24 Mar 2006, at 14:29, Reiner Steib wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 22 2006, David Reitter wrote: >> I can't think of a reliable way to check if the application called by >> `browse-url' handled the mailto link correctly. > > I can't either. I believe `message-send-mail-with-sendmail' is the best > default for `message-send-mail-function', unless running on systems > where sendmail is not implemented or swallows mail. (OS X 10.4 is > supposed to automatically fire up sendmail, according to an Apple > developer. I haven't seen this work reliably, so far.) > >> At least, `mailclient-send-it' could inform the user what it does. >> >> Something like "Delegating [shortened-mailto-stuff] to >> `browse-url'...". Maybe including the value of >> `browse-url-browser-function' in the message. Note that >> `browse-url-browser-function' might be a (REGEXP . FUNCTION) list. > > > These require developer-level knowledge and add to the general > information overload. "Browse" never sounds like mailclient. I don't agree. I expect users to use `C-h v' and `C-h f' when they see variables and functions explicitly mentioned in an error message (or in a status message before things go awry). If the message is prefixed with "mailclient-send-it: " or if [shortened-mailto-stuff] actually included the "mailto:" URL scheme, it should be clear what browse-url is being used for. > How about > > (message "Delegated message to default mail client.") That tells me... nothing. > But most importantly, we should see if the "Message sent" message can > be avoided, since it's plain and simply wrong from the user's perspective. No, it's just been sent to a different destination than the user assumes. :-) How about "Message dispatched"? -- Kevin Rodgers