From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78243 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: shr - span elements with title attribute, tooltip? Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:39:58 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <871v1tc82r.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ei5rkr6b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sju5g5qa.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oc4tg3xn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwq5g2kh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739m5g0z3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tyekda4e.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301496034 27708 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2011 14:40:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:40:34 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26553@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Mar 30 16:40:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4wZM-0002hP-Lr for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:40:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4wYp-0002it-1g; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:39:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4wYn-0002ic-Gu for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4wYj-000562-1d for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4wYi-0002nq-9i for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:39:44 +0200 Original-Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so1490980bwz.17 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization :message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ay4PtZB5uCRsXbfCf4gLCDFYyPCzhjmz3rd6VxgBtyM=; b=m2pfmIk2ZoNN9rU74VK6fvR3/4jFWCPBoMIh1oz0GYCiuOCrry+qFAoqFmAru65XuD DqibCIR0hjOp4rMypxQ52YmG/LrXrBBzBe+qAGg+5RmvYWNOk9s8AFHT644tHo9eni/b hNfp+yqpEzuut6jV7BfSidqeHCIAV6Y2sYJmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xpDBlcYEumMzXwn6aW4M945N1+EN/gIBL/jYyc9t7n/NdBmQsXDiLyzDmZeizmbA/D SOBpLvX1AZYVwQx0c67qsAuXUGljBUb1oYoLBdB3nO6EVlLw2P9ZXejMUpZtQM6thzeO U7w4uQV3wxGNmSkzJiuUta1iSGVwVEXT5ii1g= Original-Received: by 10.204.154.88 with SMTP id n24mr1258686bkw.38.1301495978838; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem (254.Red-83-39-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.39.155.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z18sm119232bkf.8.2011.03.30.07.39.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4vd5-0003uz-E7 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:40:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tyekda4e.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:13:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78243 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:31:08 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:=20 > > LMI> So I looked at the HTML. It only consisted of a bunch of
s, on > LMI> this form: > > LMI>
1311,00
> > LMI> (I think that's the total amount.) > > LMI> I guess now we all understand why using is so horrible. > > How does the usage of
elements predicate your statement? Or is my > irony meter broken again? > > Ted > Just a sidenote/history tale.. Nightmare times. What was "broken" was the reality level of many CSS advocates a couple of years ago who somewhat smugly informed everyone to use CSS rather than tables for "simple" layouts and point blankly refused any help to those trying to use tables for cross browser layout "working solutions". If I had a penny for everytime I saw someone new to CSS asking in #css how to do something "elementary" or common like a 3 columned layout or a horizontal toolbar that works cross browser in CSS and told to "read the docs" I would be a billionaire. Most gave up and went back to tables ;) Google holds the myriad of "solutions" many of which dont work. Tableless CSS was all well and good if you're paid by the hour I dare say and have the patience to work out the idiosyncrasies of 9 different browsers and their adherence to CSS standards over the past years. In short it was a nightmare and tables were used on many many many of the top web sites until only very recently. Thank God for the decline in usage of the IE 6 browser and the better adherence to CSS standards. That said IE 7 still has nasties with regard to layout triggering. --=20 =E2=98=98 http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blog= spot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net