From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/81814 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: General questions regarding the Agent and IMAP Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:56:00 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87fwbom70i.fsf@free.fr> <87k40zx2nr.fsf@dod.no> Reply-To: ding@gnus.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335632449 14312 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2012 17:00:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:00:49 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M30086@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Apr 28 19:00:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB0n-0006oy-IU for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB0E-0000JU-P9; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:00:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB0B-0000J9-VG for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:00:07 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB0A-0000zW-KM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:00:07 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB09-0007Xq-5h for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:05 +0200 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SOB07-0006DW-Nk for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:00:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:d4dY5a6mfvdCX3NvcRwLMBhgeq8= X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (3.3.1 2010-03-16) analysis follows Bayesian score: 0.0000 Ham tokens: 0.000-2080--9565h-0s--0d--H*u:Emacs, 0.000-238--1093h-0s--0d--H*u:Gnus, 0.000-220--1009h-0s--0d--H*u:linux, 0.000-220--1009h-0s--0d--H*UA:linux, 0.000-215--989h-0s--0d--H*u:gnu Spam tokens: 0.967-29160--6787h-235840s--0d--HContent-Transfer-Encoding:8bit, 0.962-1768--492h-14826s--0d--HX-Spam-Relays-External:quimby.gnus.org, 0.962-1768--492h-14826s--0d--H*RU:quimby.gnus.org, 0.957-1609--533h-14052s--0d--HTo:D*gnus.org, 0.950-1633--666h-15081s--0d--HX-Spam-Relays-Internal:quimby.gnus.org Autolearn status: no 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rileyrg[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.2 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.9 NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED ADSP custom_med hit, and not from a mailing list List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:81814 Archived-At: Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Julien Cubizolles : > >> I'm confused by some aspects of using the Agent and IMAP. > > Ah... that combination is buggy. See old messages on this list. > > The funniest effect is when the cached article is replaced with a file > containing NOV data. > >> The articles I choose to fetch from the IMAP server with the agent exist >> both on the server and as a local copy on my machine, right ? > > Yep. > >> If such an article is marked for expiry, is it deleted both on the local >> copy and on the remote IMAP server ? > > I don't think so. If you delete it while offline I don't think it is > deleted on the server. And deleting on the server doesn't clear the > agent cached version, or at least I think it doesn't...? (at least it > didn't do so back in 2001 or thereabuts. > >> Also, I noticed that every time I hit g in the Group buffer, a new copy >> of *every* unread and unfetched message on the IMAP server is added in >> the Summary, what could be the cause ? > > Bugs, possibly...? > >> Finally, the total message count is completely wrong for the IMAP server >> if I'm using the agent but that's not too inconvenient. > > Another possible bug...? > > Actually, after trying to debug the agent several times and eventually > giving up, I'm wondering if that isn't a candidate for just a severe > rewrite as the nnimap backend...? > +1 on that : the same issues crop up time and time again indicating a real gap there. I gave up on the agent with email (imap) - the message counts just went nuts ;)