From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64116 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: nocem in Gnus: should it go away? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:24:09 +0000 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1166124303 30861 80.91.229.10 (14 Dec 2006 19:25:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ding Mailing List Original-X-From: ding-owner+M12639@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Dec 14 20:25:02 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GuwCJ-0001fu-0D for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:24:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GuwCE-0002Gt-Je; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:46 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GuwCD-0002GO-10 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:45 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GuwC9-0006Gm-R2 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:24:44 -0600 Original-Received: from fw01.cmbrmaks.akamai.com ([80.67.64.10] helo=smtp2.akamai.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1GuwC8-0005HV-00 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:24:41 +0100 Original-Received: from smtp1.akamai.com (vwall.kendall.corp.akamai.com [172.17.4.33]) by smtp2.akamai.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id kBEJOIdo018886 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (dhcp-65-105.kendall.corp.akamai.com [172.16.36.21]) by smtp1.akamai.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id kBEJO0fv015332; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:00 -0500 (EST) Original-To: David Z Maze X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: David Z Maze , Ding Mailing List In-Reply-To: (David Z. Maze's message of "Fri\, 01 Dec 2006 14\:16\:36 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64116 Archived-At: On 1 Dec 2006, dmaze@mit.edu wrote: > Ted Zlatanov writes: > >> /gnus/lisp> grep -i nocem *.el|wc >> 165 754 9124 >> >> That's a lot of code for a feature no one uses. Should it go away? >> Or should it be revisited, updated, and made useful? Maybe it can >> integrate with spam.el for instance. > > My $0.02 is that "classic" Usenet spam has practically vanished (for > the...five? public NNTP groups I read, three of which are > moderated). It's terrible on Gmane, though, and I use that for many lists :) > I tried using NoCeM for a bit but the overhead of running it was just > insane, even given a news server pretty close to me on the network. > Setting gnus-spam-autodetect to scan NNTP groups too seems to give > pretty good results at a much lower performance overhead. Yes, I like it too. Very fast on Gmane because of their anti-spam system. > If you were trying to read "most" of Usenet using Gnus, it might still > be useful to you. But that's an awful lot of traffic. Personally, I > wouldn't miss nocem if it vanished, and I could see it wanting to > vanish if the code maintenance issues are starting to stack up. I'll see what Katsumi Yamaoka says. My feeling is that it could be useful, but not too many care. Ted