Suggestion for the manual

Suggestion for the manual

[David Hedbor]

I think there is one thing that would be very nice to have in the
manual - pointers to where in the Gnus customize buffers variables are
customized. On several occasions I have spent time trying to locate
certain variables. Since there is no way to search the customize
buffers (as far as I know), it can be hard to find where that variable 
gnus-group-foo-bar-p is located. 

The reason I feel this is important is that I'm trying to get away
from using setq in .gnus.el as much as I can.

On a non-related, mostly out-of-topic, issue I'm having problems with
w3 displaying emails. I have this in .emacs (from customizing w3):

 '(w3-user-colors-take-precedence t)

Never the less, emails are displayed with the white background defined 
in them. If I load .emacs again after w3 is loaded, everything behaves 
as expected. I'm using have 4.0pre31.


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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[Carey Evans]

David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> writes:

> Since there is no way to search the customize
> buffers (as far as I know), it can be hard to find where that variable 
> gnus-group-foo-bar-p is located. 

There are the useful `customize-variable' and `customize-apropos'
commands (in XEmacs 20.4, anyway), which might be what you're looking
for.

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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[Simon Josefsson]

David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> writes:

> I think there is one thing that would be very nice to have in the
> manual - pointers to where in the Gnus customize buffers variables are
> customized. On several occasions I have spent time trying to locate
> certain variables. Since there is no way to search the customize
> buffers (as far as I know), it can be hard to find where that variable 
> gnus-group-foo-bar-p is located. 

Doesn't M-x customize-variable RET gnus-group-foo-bar-p RET work?

(or help -> customize -> specific option if you're into menubars)

Re: Suggestion for the manual

[David Hedbor]

Simon Josefsson <jas@pdc.kth.se> writes:

> Doesn't M-x customize-variable RET gnus-group-foo-bar-p RET work?
> 
> (or help -> customize -> specific option if you're into menubars)

This does work. I wasn't aware of this function. Thanks both of you.

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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[Justin Sheehy]

David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> writes:

> The reason I feel this is important is that I'm trying to get away
> from using setq in .gnus.el as much as I can.

Why?

-Justin

Re: Suggestion for the manual

[David Hedbor]

Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes:

> David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> writes:
> 
> > The reason I feel this is important is that I'm trying to get away
> > from using setq in .gnus.el as much as I can.
> 
> Why?

Personal preference. I feel that using customize is a better solution.

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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org>  on Wed, 05 May 1999
| Personal preference. I feel that using customize is a better solution.

Customize is not a "better solution" for people who know how to use Emacs.
This was a popular religious war last month over on the gnu.emacs
newsgroups; check deja-news for details if you must.
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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[David Hedbor]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> * David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org>  on Wed, 05 May 1999
> | Personal preference. I feel that using customize is a better solution.
> 
> Customize is not a "better solution" for people who know how to use Emacs.
> This was a popular religious war last month over on the gnu.emacs
> newsgroups; check deja-news for details if you must.

Please note that I said "personal preference" and "I feel that [it] is
a better solution". I am by no means an Emacs expert but I do know
enough to do configuration manually. Still I think customize is a lot
nicer. If you are new to Emacs, or simply new to Gnus, it's one of the
best things that ever happened to Emacs. It's a lot easier to
configure Gnus (unless you know the variables in Gnus by heart) by
point'n'click than it is to read info pages.

What's wrong with being user and especially newbie friendly?

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Re: Suggestion for the manual

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org>  on Wed, 05 May 1999
| What's wrong with being user and especially newbie friendly?

Like I said, look at the thread on the newsgroup.  I really do not feel
like rehashing it, especially not here.
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