From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/14287 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Justin Sheehy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: ">" -vs- "Re:" -- is this guy crazy? Date: 25 Feb 1998 14:34:18 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035153504 14069 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:38:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13488 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:38:14 -0800 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (root@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11339 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:36:00 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAH06360; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:35:43 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:34:38 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06346 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:34:30 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 9764 invoked by uid 504); 25 Feb 1998 19:34:22 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9760 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1998 19:34:21 -0000 Original-Received: from linus.mitre.org (129.83.10.1) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 1998 19:34:21 -0000 Original-Received: from caffeine.mitre.org (caffeine [129.83.10.136]) by linus.mitre.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19031 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:34:21 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by caffeine.mitre.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA18967; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:34:19 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: SL Baur's message of "24 Feb 1998 14:02:58 -0800" Original-Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.32/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:14287 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:14287 SL Baur writes: > No. I've never seen it. There is a (broken) Microsoft mailer that > uses `FW: '. There is a (broken) Novell mailer that appends a > `-Reply'. There are various (broken) Unix mailers that use `Re[2]: ' > `Re[3]: ', etc. VM doesn't add anything by default. > > The only acceptable thing to do is to prepend a `Re: ' if one is not > already there, otherwise don't add anything. I notice that you nicely avoid directly saying that VM is broken in this regard, even though it is obvious from the second sentence above that you agree that it is. Correct me if I've misread. I'll come out and say it: this behavior of VM is broken. > > It breaks Gnus threading (as readers of the ntemacs list will have > > noticed). > > It shouldn't if the References: header is properly formed. Lots of mail clients don't create a References: header, or create bad ones. One of my current pet peeves: the way that mh breaks threading. If you reply/followup to a message, it does the right thing with Re: but then appends a space to the Subject: as well. I know that Gnus can be customized to ignore the space, but that does not change that it is broken behavior on mh's part. I had hoped that this would be fixed in nmh, but I have seen similarly broken messages coming from nmh users. Feh. > Since when has Gnus been customizable in this area? See the variables gnus-simplify-* -- Justin Sheehy In a cloud bones of steel.