Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bug fixes.

Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
"/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/patches/qgnus-0.21-0.22.diff.gz>.

ChangeLog since last release:

Tue Jan  6 07:45:39 1998  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@menja.ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released.

Tue Jan  6 07:32:02 1998  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* message.el (message-kill-to-signature): Don't use mark.

Tue Jan  6 07:30:46 1998  Russ Allbery  <rra@stanford.edu>

	* message.el (message-kill-to-signature): New command and keystroke.

Tue Jan  6 06:39:29 1998  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-print-article): New defaults for
	headers and stuff.

	* gnus-agent.el (gnus-agent-batch): New command.

	* nnoo.el (nnoo-execute): Copy vars from parent into child.
	(nnoo-parent-function): Ditto.

	* gnus-draft.el (gnus-draft-setup): Removed message.

	* gnus-start.el (gnus-read-descriptions-file): Naked muleism.

Mon Jan  5 05:20:16 1998  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* nnml.el (nnml-generate-nov-databases-1): Fix lower bound on
	empty groups.



-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

[Chris Jones]

Out of curiosity:

Does Gnus support IMAP yet?

TIA.

Chris

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Chris Jones                                      cjones@rupert.oscs.montana.edu
           Mad scientist in training...
"Is this going to be a stand-up programming session, sir, or another bug hunt?"

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

[Lars Balker Rasmussen]

Chris Jones <cjones@honors.montana.edu> writes:
> Does Gnus support IMAP yet?

No.

Out of curiosity:  Are IMAP-server implementations considered mature and
secure these days?  My lusers are pining.
-- 
Lars Balker Rasmussen, Software Engineer, Mjolner Informatics ApS
lbr@mjolner.dk

Re: IMAP

[Richard Coleman]

> > Does Gnus support IMAP yet?
> 
> No.
> 
> Out of curiosity:  Are IMAP-server implementations considered mature and
> secure these days?  My lusers are pining.

I think the servers are getting pretty good.  I believe the hold up
for IMAP is a serious lack of good clients.

At least that's the impression I get from following comp.mail.imap.

--
Richard Coleman
coleman@math.gatech.edu

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

[Justin Sheehy]

Lars Balker Rasmussen <lbr@mjolner.dk> writes:

> Out of curiosity:  Are IMAP-server implementations considered mature and
> secure these days?  My lusers are pining.

Pretty much, yes.

We're running a Cyrus server here, and some users have been migrating
to it, especially those that travel a lot and want (for example) their
secretaries to be able to access _some_ of their mail.

I know that some large universities have been using IMAP as their only
mail service fdor some time now with quite a bit of success.

The only reason that I don't use it myself is that, well, none of the
IMAP clients are as nice as Gnus in other respects.

-- 
Justin Sheehy

In a cloud bones of steel.
  

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Balker Rasmussen <lbr@mjolner.dk>:

> Chris Jones <cjones@honors.montana.edu> writes:
>> Does Gnus support IMAP yet?

> No.

And John Prevost doesn't have much time to work on it.  Does someone
else (more elisp knowledgeable than me), care to look at it?

See
	<URL:http://www.ccs.neu.edu/software/contrib/gnus/#Q4_13>
for where to get the alpha level source.

> Out of curiosity:  Are IMAP-server implementations considered mature and
> secure these days?  My lusers are pining.

I have been using the UoW imapd, and it seems to be working pretty
well.  I'm more concerned about clients.  The only one I've had access
to for testing, is Netscape 4.  And that one, is *not* well behaved
(as well as not being able to make use of some of the features of
IMAP).


- Steinar

IMAP (was Re: Quassia Gnus v0.22 is released)

[Justin Sheehy]

Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> I have been using the UoW imapd, and it seems to be working pretty
> well.  I'm more concerned about clients.  The only one I've had access
> to for testing, is Netscape 4.

I've looked at several.

The problem is that each of them has (at least) one of two issues.

1) does not really act as an IMAP client ought to act, either uses
   IMAP as a glorified POP or has its own paradigm that is hacked
   around IMAP

2) is significantly different enough from any existing client that
   people will be unlikely to switch to it even if it DTRT.

Issue #1 will end up being a possible problem for Gnus' nnimap at
some point.  For instance, I am not sure that nnagent and the IMAP
concept of disconnectedness will mesh easily.

However, I have been seeing a strong push toward using IMAP servers
for mail in large institutions.  Many people (myself included) would
be quite uncomfortable having to use, say, PINE (ugh) to access their
mail.

I hope that imap support in Gnus manages to somehow take off soon.  I
regret not having the time to attack the problem in depth myself.

-- 
Justin Sheehy

In a cloud bones of steel.