From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/40046 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason R. Mastaler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: thoughts on spam Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:06:20 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9m9fs6b.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <20011102160930.CC3D1BD52@squeaker.lickey.com> <87wv192jzh.fsf_-_@mclinux.com> <861yjgbygz.fsf@duchess.twilley.org> <20011102235444.E9C73BD48@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175658 31175 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:47:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 28058 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 23:08:53 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 23:08:53 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 160spS-0000Ss-00; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:06:54 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:06:34 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14775 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:06:17 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 27955 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 2001 23:06:24 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 27942 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 23:06:24 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO nightshade.la.mastaler.com) (jason@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 23:06:24 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 867 invoked by uid 666); 5 Nov 2001 23:06:21 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "Whz7py/hGVg+:}u&Q$/5z>j)gy%qNRX{j]0xGF&?Z"^b3`[6dY'^jSDlZDHh$m1~YX6U3J 1gOce%&je3)lVMOa/P,=9Kj:lmZb6]1hMmam*SW$GrVPa>b05y9/svb[uX.i><]^; iE1^(p_*=eLQJ6g$[aOX9I#`DCP\^O=RR:7|95hZ In-Reply-To: (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "05 Nov 2001 15:38:34 -0500") Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) XEmacs/21.4 (Artificial Intelligence, i386-unknown-freebsd4.4) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.41/Python 2.1.1 (freebsd4) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40046 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:40046 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > Ummm... I am confused. What confirmed message? If you the user > hasn't confirmed anything then you don't get a confirmed message to > sort or store. Maybe I'm missing something here? [...] > Actually, it tells you nothing at all. See, that is my point. You, > the TDMA user, never know this has happened. [...] > In my rather extreme opinion, anything that knowingly interferes > with the delivery of legitimate mail without informing the recipient > of that interference is brain-damaged. [...] > Sounds a bit backwards to me. Knowing that I got bad mail and > dealing with it makes more sense to me than scanning a trap full of > bad mail for one or two good messages that may or may not be there. Each of these assumptions is erroneous, but I don't have the energy to argue any more, and I'm sure lots of Gnus users wish I would shut my hole, so if you want to discuss this further, take it to one of the TMDA lists please. > You'd be suprised at how well it can work. The trick is to use a > scoring method, grepping for words and phrases common to various > types of spam and setting the spam flag if the score exceeds a > threshold. This works because most of the spam out there are > basically form letters. Yup. That works until the spammers figure this out and start to use different words and phrases. This is an time-wasting infinite loop.